Excellent point.
What leverage do they (think they) have? Their votes for Speaker.
Make it two, my argument still stands.
Really, Ryan, did it take years for Ryan? I am sick of people saying that only Pelosi can do the job, when she has used her power to stop anyone proving they can do the job. Also, if she really cared about the country and party, not her own power, she would allow someone to take over the job, and she would still support the party. It seems we have all or nothing from her. Surely, out of all the Democrats in the House, she is not the only one that can do the job and would not have the ābaggageā that she carries with her. I know, anyone they get would be attacked, but her name recognition is higher then anyone chosen, and it would take longer for the attacks to be effective as most people would not know him/her or her voting history.
Well the current setup hasnāt stopped Moulton and company from making wavesā¦ if there was a known timeline in leadership, instead he (or other aspirant) can try and position themselves for advancement.
I consider it appropriate that part of the speakerās or leaderās job is to ensure future success through succession planning.
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Yep. A very noticeable and predictable pattern.
The anti-Pelosi faction amongst the Democrats was a gang of centrist, Republican leaning men. They all got shot down and caved, undoubtedly due to Pelosiās savvy, behind-the scenes maneuvering.
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Are you sure you want to use Ryan as a positive example?
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You might not like what he did, but he did get a tax bill and other bills through Congress and also protected Trump. He did use his position to support the Republican agenda just like any new speaker under the Democrats could support the Democratic agenda.
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Youād go so far as to say that Ryan was a successful Speaker (in Republican terms)?
Oh, great. Letās have a new status: The lame duck Speaker.
What did he do that made his speakership unsuccessful? Again, i donāt think he was a great speaker, because I didnāt like his actions, but i am not an Republican. But I donāt hear any Republican saying he was an unsuccessful speaker and he was their speaker.
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In the first sentence you misspelled Republican stalking horses.
Did you sleep through 2018?
Well yes, but referring to this group that was threatening to not vote for her. Wasnāt it determined that they donāt have the votes? Or maybe things have changedā¦
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Ryan was in the Koch brothersā pocket. Thatās all you need to know.
Itās difficult to say, obviously, but Pelosi is still negotiating with them and sheās no fool.
Anyone in his position could simply refuse to put up legislation that harms PP. Thatās not really an accomplishment. As for the tax bill, getting Republicans to vote for a tax cut is about as difficult as getting Democrats to vote for a bill that protects the Mueller investigation. Republicans have wanted to vote for that tax cut since Reagan was president.
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No, I donāt think āthatās all you need to know.ā
The point that @shirley145 is advancing is that Ryan was a success (in Republican terms) despite not having had a long apprenticeship. In other words, he was successful enough despite not having had years of training.
What @shirley145 is suggesting is that Democrats, too, should just put a younger person in, without worrying too much about who is capable of filling (Boehnerās) Pelosiās shoes.
Iām not saying I agree with @shirley145 but the argument is there for you to contend with.
Basically itās the same list of people who pledged to vote against her minus three who came to their senses plus a handful whose elections were decided late. Fudge, Higgins and Lynch came off the last I checked.
Of the eleven on the list 10 of them voted more frequently with Trump than Nancy did.
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