Discussion: AL Passes Most Restrictive Abortion Ban In Country, Threatens Providers With Life In Jail

As an Ohioan I have been following this with great concern. They aren’t even trying to hide their intentions anymore.

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One problem here: the gop has found their replacment wedge issue: white nationalism.

A Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing reproductive rights would solve this, but that is apparently impossible because our Constitution was written by wealthy white supremacist men to keep wealthy white men in power. Mission accomplished.

Our Constitution is a suicide pact. And now women are going to find that out.

Polling on abortion is fraught with tiger traps. The response you get depends more on how the question is asked than on where it is asked. If the question is asked about a flat ban with no exceptions (or essentially no exceptions a la Alabama) I expect you’ll get that map.

Ask the question differently (e.g., “Should a woman be able to decide to kill her baby at any point in pregnancy?”, is an egregiously bad way to ask it) and the responses will change dramatically.

This is partly a product of reducing a complex question with moral/ethical/religious overtones to a yes/no answer. In the end it comes down to a yes/no answer for individuals. I think that we have to allow each individual to make that decision for herself.

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The headlines never seem to read; “Alabama legislature passes and governor signs bill expanding health care and protects rural hospitals”. 'Prenatal and maternal care is enhanced to improve the states near worst in the nation maternal death rate".

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Scientific polling rejects the premise of your comment.

What you describe is push-polling—a favorite of the goofballs who inhabit Wingnuttia.

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This is the first time since 1991-92 that I sense that a majority of white women as a group feel the existential threat of Federal abortion rights being taken away. Similar to the 1991-92 period, this one is marked by changes in the SCOTUS (back then it was the entry of Thomas and Souter) plus a President that is beholden to evangelical conservatives who are politically well organized. The last time the Democrats won the white female vote was 1992 and 1996. 1992 ushered in a major electoral shift: the creation of Blue America. The swing vote in most of the states that became blue was suburban white women.

I don’t see how the SCOTUS can’t deliver on killing Roe v Wade after all this pressure being placed by conservatives to send legislation intended to challenge Roe. If the high court were to uphold Planned Parenthood v Casey and strike down these challenges, I think that would be it for the evangelical movement as a political force. They would have definitively lost a key front in the culture war just as they lost on gay marriage.

Regardless of whether Roberts punts on this case until after 2020, abortion rights are on the ballot in a way that they haven’t been since 1991-92. What I mean by that is a majority of white women will be woke for the first time since that election. In the intervening elections, efforts to highlight the GOP’s aggression against abortion rights have not been persuasive because they took those rights for granted, believing there was always someone to serve as a last line of defense. Now they all know about Kavanaugh and they will be much more alert and receptive to Democratic arguments that the GOP intends to take away abortion rights for real.

That spells political doom for the GOP and a big realignment in favor of Dems for 2020. Based on what I expect the political landscape to look like on social issues like abortion rights, gay marriage, civil liberties and general corruption, I think WI, MI, PA and even IA will experience a blue shift (whether that blue shift will be large enough to flip IA blue is unclear, but I think a reversion to the mean is likely). I think this also means that FL, NC, AZ will shift blue (recall that Bill Clinton won AZ in 1996 by doing well among suburban white women). I would also take a good look at perhaps GA shifting blue. I think Doug Jones is more likely to win re-election to the AL Senate race.

Another benefit of this is that Senate races will become great again. I can see Bullock abandoning this presidential run b/c now he has a strong basis to run for the Senate. I think Senate Dems will run hard on abortion rights across the country and it could shift the Senate blue.

We Dems have fought hard to prevent what happened this past week on abortion rights. But now, we’re all behind the 8 ball. We have to vote and vote Blue, period.

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As we’ve been learning, a more apt expression is White Power. These people have an international white power network. So it’s not white nationalism, it’s white power.

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I am also an Ohioan and I am ashamed to say so.

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So many states are passing these draconian laws that one will eventually find its way to the Supreme Court. All I think about is Joe Biden puting Thomas on the court now. Women need to get out in the streets in LARGE NUMBERS, otherwise America will cease to be Free.

I also want to give a shout out to the Bernie Bro’s and Jill Stein voters and the Nader voters for the situation we are now in.

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Check. Run on healthcare, and include abortion rights as part of that. It’s a twofer.

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Well, there is already a list of reasons few invest in Alabama.

This is simply another entry.

It’s not just ‘analogous’ the anti-abortion movements roots lay entirely in segregation. They never cared about ‘abortion’ even well after Roe until the Fed started to demand christian universities integrate. They just slapped ‘abortion’ onto the signs to mask the fact the anti-gub freakout was about racism.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133

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I’ll give them this, the anti-abortion crowd sure does fight for what they want. When was the last time a pro-choice group of politicians passed a law making it easier to get an abortion or harder to outlaw it?

One other point (and I think this is an excellent post)

You thought women :muscle: their power in 2018? You ain’t seen nothin yet.

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NY just did and VA just removed a lot of GOP restrictions on abortion

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Well good to know, that never makes the news and I couldn’t find it looking around. Thanks.

Absolutely. So if a twelve year old gets raped by a bunch of boys and she cannot handle the pregnancy, does no one care if she dies?

Or if an older like me gets pregnant in the pre-menopause years and is carrying a deformed fetus, is the feeling too bad, so sad?

Why do these people hate women?

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‘Get government out of my life…except women…I OWN them…host bodies…cleave unto me…Bible!’ Fking knuckledragging bottomfeeders. Fk you Alabama!