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This sliver of land that the Israeli’s are fighting over with the Palestinians isn’t worth the bloodshed. This whole fight is about stubbornness and pride, not smarts.
Israel sits smack dab in the middle of the Arab nation and they can’t avoid interacting with them and sharing, that is just geographics, they are where they are.
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This woman is also WRONG
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This racist, war crime supporting “diplomat” says what?
Support BDS and starve the beast.
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The minister confirms what Abbas said at the UN: Israel intends to remain an occupying power.
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Abbas missed a unique chance to put Netanyahu on the back foot when he did not acknowledge the recent polls revealing even a majority of Palestinians prefer a one-state solution by demanding the Israelis grant all Palestinians full Israeli citizenship. Trying to force the current Israeli government to accept the Palestinian flag is not going to work, but forcing the Israelis to publicly and definitively declare their intentions for the Occupied Territories just might.
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People are using the wrong tense to describe the situation. There isn’t a choice between a two state solution and the end of Israel as a Jewish state any more. That choice was made when the settlers murdered Rabin.
At this point there is only one possible outcome, a single unified state in which Palestinians have full citizenship and the right of return.
Netanyahu’s fight over the Iran deal has cost Israel far more than he realizes. He has lost the support of virtually all non-Jewish Democrats and the majority of Jewish Democrats are careful to distinguish support for Israel from support for Likud policies.
It used to be that any criticism of Israel was drowned out by calls of ‘anti-semite’ or ‘self-hating Jew’ as the case might be. That isn’t the case any more. AIPAC used to be influential in both parties, now it has about as much influence in the Democratic party as club for growth does.
Hilary and Bernie are both life-long AIPAC 110%-ers. But they won’t be making that front and center in their campaigns as Bill Clinton did. And if elected, they won’t be investing any time in trying to broker any two state peace deal.
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“In it, Hotovely, Israel’s Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, openly declares that Israel has no intention of handing any of the West Bank over to Palestinian control.”
And the leadership of Israel has been playing this game for decades now and has only been pretending to want to find a “solution” for the last several decades. Obama saw thru this sham and is not playing the game Netanyahu wants him to play which is why he tried to undermine Obama by meeting with Congress to make them do his bidding.
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I apologize in advance for saying something that will be upsetting for some people. But everyone who has been paying attention, and who isn’t viewing things through the best possible interpretation of Israel’s behavior, has known this is true for a long time. President Carter’s book made a pretty strong case for that – it was roundly criticized when it came out, but almost all of the attacks were ad hominems on Carter himself, and not refutations of what he said.
My take on this is that Israel is very much like the US in some respects. We in the US do some terrible things sometimes. We do more terrible things when conservatives are in power, but neither party is blameless. That doesn’t mean that our people are bad, or that I don’t love my country, or that I dislike my neighbors. It means we have a bad political problem we have to push back against.
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All you bitches better get off Pangea, it’s mine. That’s what the Israeli argument for that land sounds like. Utter BS. But seriously, GTFO Pangea, it’s mine. I called it before anyone.
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The time for the rest of the world to take Israel at its word and call for a binational one-state solution was… probably around the time Bibi got back into power.
It’s either apartheid and being treated as a pariah nation, or a single state where Palestinians are full citizens. Israel has made those the only available options, and Israel will have to live with the consequences.
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Best reason ever to get rid of Bibi, and those who work for Bibi.
This sort of thing gives reality and weight to the idea long espoused by those who are suspicious of Israel.
That both Israel and her PM are talking out of both sides of their face.
If the current government of Israel can’t be trusted to bargain in good faith, can Israel herself be trusted?
This hurts Israel, and makes eventual peace, (which is Israel’s only real hope of security and prosperity) more difficult to achieve and seal.
Military might isn’t the only arbiter of security. Peace has to begin, and continue with, by, and for the sake of people. The seed of peace between people is trust. Anything which damages this trust runs contrary to peace.
Shalom.
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so let me get this right. by creating the state of Israel (because Jews have a religious and historical right to the land) a group of people who had previously lived there were displaced. Ok. Do you think those people were going to leave willingly and peacefully? Don’t you think that the animosity created by these moves would be handed down to the next generation?
The creation of Israel reeks of Manifest Destiny. I mean imagine a group of Native Americans with the military backing of the Chinese marching into small town America, claiming a religious and historical right to the land.
I refuse to accept the narrative that Israel is just an innocent actor trying to live pious lives as the mean Palestinians disrupt their way of life. If my grandfather told me that he was forced from his home, I would probably take up arms against those that kicked him out.
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Thanks for confirming what we’ve been saying for a while now: Likud intends for Israel to remain an apartheid state. We all know how that turned out.
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If the Jews who were forced out of Arab countries after living there for centuries were to demand a right of return and that were to be offset against the right of return of Palestinians, there would be a net inflow of some 200,000 Palestinians. The number is IIRS is from Hannah Arendt.
And indeed the Palestinians would prefer to be Israellis. What other state would they prefer to join? Plus which no Arab state in the region is willing to grant them citizenship. The Israelis are perfectly understandably unwilling to have a Palestinian state with any ability to hurt them next door and the Palesitinians are unwilling and/or unable to form a state willing to renounce war-making power as did Japan for a period.
Why the Palestinians believe that their plight demands more attention than the slaughters which are occurring in the Arab states – before,after and during the American interventions is beyond me.
She’s a religious right-winger? Prove it by covering up your hair, harlot.
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This will not end well for Israel
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Yeah well, once land has been conquered by Islam, it remains Muslim land. Nothing can undo that. (And no, that’s not a right-wing trope). So, while you’re at it, please start the campaign to take back Al-Andalus because Spain doesn’t deserve what it forcibly stole from Muslims.
The suspense is killing me. I hope it will last.
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Probably because they know it is a total waste of time. Israel will never agree to a two-state solution. There will never be peace in the Middle East.
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