At this point, do we really think that anything from the real world can penetrate into Trumpworld?
New York appeals court ruled that Trump had to face the lawsuit, citing the Jones-Clinton case as precedent
Kinna shot themselves in the dick back then, didn’t they?
But her emails!
I know it seems bleak, that the Republicans can seemingly get away blatant crimes with the full support of their base. But this will make it much harder for them to pull their false equivalence nonsense. Sure they will try and many will fall for it. Many like being told what they want to hear even though it has no basis in fact.
But you can’t fool all the people all of the time, at some some point there has to be a reckoning. The Republicans are not doing themselves any favors with their blind support of this most unqualified man.
Unfortunately, it appears that you only need to fool 46.1% of the people every few years, in the right concentrations, as long as the electoral college remains as it is. One can hope that it doesn’t happen again.
Well, there’s everything that’s penetrated so far, if by penetrated you mean got his notice and messed up that world. Adverse election results, court rulings, investigations, defections, resignations, scandals, failed appointments, exhaustion and sheer boredom come to mind. People don’t like the guy. Does none of that count? Help a guy out here.
I dunno about that for sure. They can always come out with a ruling like in Bush V Gore and say it’s exempt from precedent. You know, a special ruling for unique circumstance to benefit a Republican.
Not like it hasn’t been done before.
Probes are all good and fine, but I get a feeling that the more crimes are uncovered, the more immune Team Trump becomes to criticism. I’m afraid that eventually a large part of the public would be indifferent.
I do hope that it causes sleepless nights for Trump and makes every one of his waking moments full of anxiety, but I would like to see a more tangible sign that there will actually be serious consequences for him. I am getting tired of promises and waiting.
Trumpworld: Death By A Thousand Cuts
He’s seemingly exempt from indictment and prosecution while President. Other than damaging his electoral prospects, admittedly a huge benefit does that play out, I fail to see why he should be too exorcised about any of his pursuers. I’m sure he’s betting on another term, thus delaying a call to account until Feb of '25. He’ll never be convicted in a Senate impeachment trial and removed from office. And his entire personal and business life has been a tumult of scandal and legal troubles for decades, so this is just more of the same as far as he’s concerned. He feeds off this, it’s his oxygen. What we all think drags him down, distracts him, bothers him is actually a state of affairs he thrives on.
Trump will be the beneficiary of several special rulings before this is all played out. I"m betting a great many of the subpoenas the House issues to persons and document demands will be shot down under the umbrella of executive privilege, the need to consult with aides in confidence, deliberations needing exmpted due to national security concerns, etc. Watching the media and experts a layman would get the idea all the House efforts are slam dunks, Trump is backed into a corner, he’ll have to relent, the law is plain and on Congress’ side. I think that’s mistaken, I say he prevails on several fronts. Even the IRS tax reveal issue boils down to the phrase “Shall provide”, with everyone saying “There it is, black and white, no way he can stop this!” Uh huh, we’ll see.
I’m not sure which is worse and more disturbing, that nearly 40% of Americans are ok with all this, either because they love them some Trump, or because they are ok with the activities themselves (well, so long as not engaged in by a Dem or lib, in which case lockemup!), or that nearly 40% of Americans don’t know about or believe any of this, because fake news and TDS. Both are pretty bad and one or the other or both is present to a large extent with nearly 40% of Americans.
I realize that his approval sometimes goes above 40% but I assume that some of his support is very tepid, self-serving and situational, and that his core group of supporters is no more than 30-35%. This btw is why I think that impeachment AND removal, while the latter is a long shot, is not impossible, and certainly worth it. Once the dirt comes out in a way that Americans can relate to, what with their very short attention span and pea-sized brains, all bets are off, and Repubs will start to reconsider their support for him.
Impeachment is, I believe, inevitable, essential and necessary. Done right, there’s very little if any downside, and lots of upside. In fact I think that not trying to impeach him would be far more politically damaging to Dems, with base voters staying home in disgust and swing voters finding no compelling reason to vote for Dems over Repubs given that Dems can’t and won’t fight. The public WANTS Dems to lead on this.
The key is to do it right, not calling it impeachment right away, but simply proceeding with increasingly energetic and combative hearings, baiting Trump & Co. to defy Dems and obstruct justice, while exposing his vast moral and legal crimes, which will rally the public against Trump and towards Dems, and turn this into a riveting national drama that harms Trump and the GOP and helps Dems.
At a certain point, of course, they’ll have to open formal impeachment hearings, and actually impeach. At which point, because of all the damaging evidence that comes out against Trump during all this and his massive obstruction reaction, senate Repubs will find themselves caught between two terrible choices, supporting Trump and losing the center, or abandoning Trump and losing the base. Either way, they lose and Dems win.
The point is not merely to remove the shitbag, although that too, if possible, but to show the public that Dems fight and are not feckless cowards, and also the full extent of Trump’s financial, political and personal depravity and how the GOP has become little more than his bitch. They HAVE to do this.
Trump is basically the biggest test that our form of government has faced, even including the Civil War. If the public isn’t sufficient moved by the coming congressional hearings, federal, state and local prosecutions, civil suits, and Trump and the GOP’s increasingly defiant and fascistic reactions to them, to vote both out of office in 2020, then our democracy will have effectively died, even if the form remains. It’s only as strong as a sufficient number of voting-eligible Americans decide that they want it to be, based mostly on whether they vote and whom they vote for. If they can’t be bothered to do the right thing, then what we or Dems do is moot. Hopefully, though, that won’t happen. We’ll find out soon enough.
Look, 40% of the population are venal, greedy, ill-informed criminal miscreants themselves, so this is entirely unsurprising.
Nope.Trump can literally shoot someone and would not loose support from his base and would not be prosecuted. We will have him for another 6 years. But the worse thing is that it goes beyond Trump, the White Supremacist forces that he has unleashed will remain even if Trump disappeared tomorrow. The Supreme Court has been packed with partisans and will remain so, as they are now helping perpetuate the rule of the party aligned with the White Supremacists.
Future historians will point to the day in 2015 when Trump declared his candidacy as the beginning of the end of the United States of America. That if humanity actually survives, as the White Supremacist are all hell bent in destroying the environment and pursue and aggressive and abusive foreign policy and are advocates of unrestrained warfare.
Stupid white racists + single-issue RW voters + selfish fucks = ~40%. They’re not all driven by the same things, but they’re all kind of…disappointing.
Unless you’re running for office you might say they’re, oh, I don’t know…deplorable?
Kind of a tangential point, but re: case #1: Who is Stormy using for a lawyer these days?