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Republicans are running out of white people.
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As long as Democrats try to improve the lives of anyone, white, hispanic, black, etc., and they can see and feel this, we will be alright.
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There’s a little bit of “duh” about this analysis. A good chunk of the reason why the GOP/Teatrolls block things like this or throw nutties about the ACA is precisely because of who, at the time the legislation is on the table, will get the credit. This si why you hear them bemoaning “entitlements” and the ACA and anything that Dems support that helps people as “buying votes.” That’s the way they think of it and a major component of their freakout over the ACA. 40M people getting insurance for the first time and having the Dems to thank for it? Oh no! If the Dems buy 40M more voters, then something something ARMAGEDDON!!!
Therefore, if (god for-fucking-bid) some GOP/Teatroll wins the WH in 2016, it’s almost guaranteed that he will attempt to buy the Latino vote with something the GOP/Teatrolls BRAND as “comprehensive immigration reform.” Where the rubber will hit the road is he substance of it, and at this point, I think it’s fair to say that the RWNJs have painted themselves into a corner where anything they are willing to sign that calls itself “comprehensive immigration reform” is going to be viewed by the Latino community as a bad joke and deeply insulting…table scraps, throwing the dog a bone, a token effort, an attempt to trick them into saying “thank you, sir, may I have another?”, etc.
In fact, if some GOP/Teatroll wins the WH in 2016, I’m willing to bet we’ll see some sort of similarly-motivated legislative attempt to “buy” the Jewish community as well.
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“With presidential cover, a bipartisan bill will pass, and the GOP will share some of the credit.” Dream on. No bill is going to pass as long as the GOP has at least 40 votes in the Senate, if the House flips. And if the House doesn’t flip, it won’t even get a hearing.
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True, Rubio or Bush would likely gain more Latino votes than an adamant opponent of a path to citizenship like Ted Cruz
The only declared Republican candidate so far is Latino, but for some reason, Rafael Cruz seems hostile to Latinos. How odd.
Then again, he is Canadian…
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Immigration reform is important, and nice to have, but where are these millions of dimwitted Latinos who supposedly would then forgive and forget about the daily discrimination, the name calling, the people screaming at frightened children on a bus, the racial profiling, the official-language proposals, and all the rest of the racist, nationalist bigotry baked into the GOP’s DNA?
Personally, I think the new pope ended the GOP’s chances at carving out more of the Latino vote.
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“They need to moderate their stance on both social issues, like gay marriage, and economic issues, like inequality. But those things may already be happening.”
“May already be happening”??? Are you fucking kidding me? Where exactly is this moderation occurring? In the campaign of Ted Cruz? In the state of Indiana? Arkansas? Just who among the GOP gives a rat’s bleeding ass about income inequality? Are the Republican legislative loons in Nevada “moderating?” Is Sam Brownback in Kansas displaying any concern for the lives of young Americans in that state of any ethnic origin? Are Scott Walker and his cheesehead brownshirts tenderly looking after the needs of young Latinos in Wisconsin? Is Steve King in Iowa simply exhibiting an affection for melons when he talks about Mexican illegals with calves like “cantaloupes?”
This inane “may already be happening” horseshit is High Broderism at its very worst. There isn’t a single fucking particle of evidence ANYWHERE to indicate that the GOP is moderating its stances on ANYTHING. Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ on a Cracker, if Avi Green truly believes that Republicans are “moderating,” his political analysis isn’t worth squat.
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While I certainly agree that “who gets credit” drives a lot of political positioning (think Medicare prescription drug coverage, which was able to pass under a Republican president), I have trouble seeing whatever legislation Boehner would agree to come to a bipartisan vote (abandoning the so-called Hastert rule) as being palatable enough to attract an absolute majority. That is, I doubt it would include a path to citizenship.
The Last Chance for the GOP to “get” the Latino vote was November 1980.
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I do agree with you that there are some structural and institutional tendencies among latinos that swing them toward the Democratic party. However, the main obstacle to latino voting republican is, well, republicans. It might come as a surprise to many, but latinos vote on issues and perception. The perception of most latinos is that the GOP do not have their interest at heart. I reckon the Dixiecrats did not get many black votes in 1948 didn’t they? Well, not will the GOP get many latino votes in 2016 and for the foreseeable future, until the GOP change it stands on issue the range from health care (most latinos like Obamacare and benefit greatly from it) to issues of social justice, education and economic mobility. Putting Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio on the ticked will bring as many latinos to the GOP as putting Alan Keys would bring black folks. Also, there is the basic misunderstanding of the latino community and the intergenerational interactions. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are Cuban. Cubans will vote for them and the GOP. That means something in Florida and to a lesser extent New Jersey. Unfortunately that will also alienate whatever few Puertorricans and Dominican voters the GOP have. Younger Cubans and not as right wing as their forbearers, and Mexican Americans will not touch Cruz or Rubio with a ten foot pole. Yes, there are disagreements among latinos along national origin differences. A great realignment of the latino vote will not happen anytime soon, a long as the base of the GOP is still stuck in the past, and keep dragging the party into the Middle Ages. Not going to happen.
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So in less than two short years all that the Repubs have to do to make up for the full fledged hatred that they have exhibited upon the Latino community since forever is to throw a few bones at them and the Latinos will be bought off?
The Latinos will forget everything, Bush, Cheney, Romney, teabaggers, the anti-immigration everything and just go, we love you now because we are only about superficial stuff?
The idea that Jeb Bush could make anything meaningful happen with the anti-everything caucus is a huge stretch in and of itself. Would he want to be re-elected per chance?
Rubio is Cuban and already blew his chance. Cruz is a sidewinder from Canada and Jeb can’t go it alone.
2017 may very well be their last chance but its a very slim chance.
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In 2017, a pro-pathway GOP President Bush—or any Democratic president—will likely take another shot at comprehensive immigration reform.
That’s where this piece goes off the rails. No Republican president would make this a priority. It would cost too much political capital. Maybe a second term agenda, though I am skeptical. Regardless, no wat would this happen in the first term.
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The “emerging Democratic majority” appears to have skipped emerging in WI and MI.
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thank you Thank you Thank You THANK YOU!!!
I have been saying for months that the MSM is really the Bagger fifth column, much more than FOX.
FOX is the Bagger Cheering Squad. The MSM is the bag of tricks you are responding to. They have as many tactics as days of the month…all for the ultimate strategies of the Dumb Down. One of the strategies fear of the wrong things; one of the others is General Hopelessness and Fatalism; one of the others is this trilogy:
- The GOP is changing
- Both Sides are at fault
- They’re all equally crooked
Oh…and also this one:
“Keep buying what our sponsors are selling”
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This contains some interesting thoughts which surely come from the author’s experience as a campaign advisor. As a Latino born in the US and belonging to a national origin group not subjected to immigration, I have found that I do not trust a political party (GOP) that has basically adopted the anti immigrant rhetoric of talk radio immigrant bashers John and Ken, and supported the enactment of individual Red State immigration laws immediately after Obama became president. I am a baby boomer. I have experienced the forms of discrimination the author references from genteel patronizing to resentful hostility. The GOP’s whole tone and tactics during the past 6 years are pretty transparent to most latinos. It will be a long time before I even consider voting for a GOP candidate again.
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The really tragic thing about this is that the 1976 Republican Party (or the 1956 one) was not like this one. It was not all or nothing. The spirit of inter-party competition was not 100% versus 0%. (thanks, Newt Gingrich)
Topping off the tragedy are the fossils voting Republican who know all of the above and should have perspective, but do not.
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The only hole in that analysis is W. did try to pass some sort of immigration reform, and the republicans in Congress barfed all over it and made him quickly recant any such notion.
No, I think as far as immigration reform is concerned, we will never see republican lift a finger on it. That is why Obama and the Dems pretty much stayed out of the way and let Rubio take center stage on the Senate bill. And true to form, they took Rubio out back of the wood shed and beat any such notion right out of him.
I think because they realize they are already too far gone with Hispanics, so the thought of creating 10 million more voters, who will overwhelmingly vote Democratic regardless of whose signature is on the law, is something they will never get behind. They have locked themselves in, quite purposely, into going after the white male vote, and eschew all others from their tent. I mean, we aren’t even seeing the faux pearl clutching about how Latino’s should be a natural allly for republicans anymore. Its all about cantalope calves and disease ridden filth trying to take “their” country away from them.
And walking back that sort of rhetoric takes decades, a luxury they just don’t have.
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Exactly
Then again, he is Canadian…
Not anymore. He has betrayed and renounced Canada.
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
What do we expect from the man whose campaign icon is burning the Amercan flag:
http://www.tedcruz.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ted-cruz_logo.png
Burn baby, burn!