Discussion for article #237052
Waiting for a similar proposal to limit gun rights so there is only one facility in each state that can âprovideâ these âservicesâ; with waiting period; mental/physical capability check; urethral and anal probes; general shaming. They can still buy their guns - just gotta drive to Tyler or Weatherford or wherever for it. Whatâs the difference between these supposed Constitutional rights? < rhetorical question >
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Itâs all a terrifying shit show. Election after election the abortion cudgel is used to poison voters against the Democratic Party, yet year after year millions of women still vote Republican! Iâd say none of this needs to be taken very seriously until women in America decide to take their own civil rights seriously. Sure some will die in the process, but nothing to date seems to get their attention.
I say if these bans get womenâs votes than Iâm sort of fine with it. Younger women ages 18-25 rarely vote anyway. I guess they are fine with it too!
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Although obviously the âfetal painâ thing is just baloney intended to prevent abortions, note that the alternatives of sedation and anesthesia are completely ignored in favor of banning the procedure entirely. These folks arenât even phoning it in.
(And if they were really concerned about pain, they would also consider the fact that 20-week-plus abortions are typically done for serious malformations that would lead to a short, horrifyingly pain-filled life if the fetus were to be born alive at all.)
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Oh, yes. This needs to be repeated relentlessly every time this topic comes up, and certainly in any Senate hearing. And after all the decades of forced-birthersâ parading around with blown-up pictures of supposedly aborted fetuses, itâs time for the other side to start showing photos of, say, fetuses with their malformed brains growing outside their skulls. Or maybe a woman dying from toxic shock after delivering a dying baby, or long-dead fetus, that should never have been made to stay in her body for months after its condition was discovered. So many fetal abnormalities arenât even detected until after the 20th week of pregnancy, things that not only endanger the life of the fetus or condemn it if born to the short, horrifyingly pain-filled life you describe, but can endanger the life of the woman forced to carry it to term, or as long as itâll stay in the womb before triggering a dangerous delivery. Even Irelandâs finally realizing you have to consider such cases. These sick fucks literally value a fetus that canât survive over a woman who would. Damn them to hell.
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If Republicans succeed in making a 20 week ban acceptable, theyâll be seeking a 19 week ban next.
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When are Abortion Rights advocates going to try moving goal posts themselves? Theyâve been letting their opponents define the battle for decades.
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^^^^^^ THIS.^^^^^
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We donât usually talk about this, but before Roe, unplanned pregnancies werenât exactly a picnic for men, either.
If you ask a man older than his mid-60s or so, heâll likely have stories of good boys and good men worried sick about the women they cared about and about their own futures, who sold whatever they had that was worth anything to pay for procedures of dubious safety or even effectiveness, who entered into marriages of mutual loathing.
Of course, all this misery and destructiveness might not have been noticed by an closeted gay man.
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The issue with âfetal painâ isnât that the fetus is feeling pain; it is that âcapability to feel painâ == ââsoulâ has inhabited this bodyâ in the minds of these religious nut jobs. Never mind that the animals they feel were put on this earth to be slaughtered for food and sport are provably able to âfeel painâ and that by the standards of these studies, countless inorganic complex systems âfeel painâ by responding to stimuli.
In any case, as we all know, it has nothing to do with the child the fetus might one day become. It is (1) first and foremost about making sure there are stark consequences for sexual activity, (2) in a theologically inconsistent yet easily-explained way about making sure that âsoulsâ all get a chance to âliveâ at least until they breath air for the first time. Frankly, once you go down (2) you start easy emotional appeals and all thinking and logic goes out the window for at least 75-80% of the base supporting abortion bans.
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Obviously. They have been moving that window back with every successive victory for decades now.
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â[Kennedy] has been sympathetic to many other abortion restrictions and written particularly emotionally in support of the partial birth abortion ban.â
Could we please not use the loathsome phrase âpartial birth abortionâ? It is a propaganda term invented anti-choice activists in 1995, because the correct medical term âintact dilation and extractionâ was deemed not scary/misleading enough.
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What these âlimitsâ or bans on legal abortion will do is bring back illegal abortions.
Before Roe no term was more frequent on the news or more frightful to women than âBackroom Butcher.â I mean everyone my age knows a person or a personâs sister who was harmed/killed by an illegal abortion. Denying access to safe abortions in no denies access to abortions.
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The republi-tard war on women continues!
Thatâs already happening. I wish I could remember the show (Maddow? Frontline? maybe both?) from maybe a year ago that included an interview with a female Southern doctor who talked about the return of âabortion wardsâ in the hospitals in her area â places where desperate women whoâd tried everything from knitting needles to bathroom cleaner were recovering, to whatever degree they could (many if not most of those women would be never be able to conceive again when they might actually want a child, among other lasting effects). My momâs best friend had nearly died from a âbackroom butcherâ â after getting her to a hospital, she went back and washed all the blood from her friendâs bathroom. And she called herself a one-issue voter for her entire adult life.
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Naturally.
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It is not that simple.
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Inasmuch as white male voters - of which I am one, and Iâm assuming you are as well - are about the most conservative cohort of voters you can find, Iâd suggest that we are the group that really needs most to change.
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Welllllll, I am a young woman in America who takes this seriously. It is an extremely complex problem and blaming young women of America for our reproductive rights accomplishments is a little like telling Black people they donât care enough about racismâŚJust because it is still a problem, doesnât mean people have stopped fighting. Now, I need to stop commenting on this site and do something more productive about it!
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