Dems Leap To Respond To SCOTUS Decision On DQ—Even If It Won’t Go Anywhere In This House

The Supreme Court decided on Monday that the question of Donald Trump’s disqualification from the ballot under the 14th Amendment — blocking those who “engaged in insurrection” from holding federal office — falls on Congress to answer.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1482345
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Tilting at windmills. But everybody knows whales HATE windmills.

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Colossal waste of time.

They should be forcing a discharge potion of Ukraine aide instead off this myopic mastubatory nonsense.

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I respectfully disagree. If you don’t play, you can’t win. Raskin is trying to establish precedent. If he fails, he fails. I admire his tenacity.

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There is no “win” here at all.

Ukraine aide is needed now.

This stunt is 100% masterbation .

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I think some members of Congress are capable of doing more than one thing at a time.

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If your analogy is true, it undermines your argument.

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The same Congress that barely managed to pass a ONE WEEK spending extension isn’t up to handling real work. BTW, that extension is up this weekend- leap forward and shut down. The government is bleeding money because these dumbasses are holding it hostage to their agenda. They could have brought bills to the floor and rammed them through with their majority, but too many of them just want a shutdown.

Raskin is right to push this and get Republicans on record, but right now, they can’t do anything. They had the opportunity to pass an immigration bill, but bowed down to Trump on it. Dems should use that as a mallet every time the GOP cries about the border. Republicans can’t figure out how to impeach Myorkas or Biden, and are looking real damn stupid as they’re key witness sits in jail for lying to feds and using Russian disinformation. Dems ought to bash them with that as well. Ukraine? Bash their asses over that too.

The House is incapable of governing. Johnson is a bigger joke than McCarthy. Their majority is toast and dwindling quickly.

There’s no work being done in Congress. The House is a complete mess, so throwing the DQ on the table now is a good move. As soon as the GOP starts whining and crying that Trump was cheated, the Dems need to roll out the list of Republicans who were on the SAME ballots and won. Jan 6th was all Trump and Dems have a chance to force their colleagues to defend his bullshit insurrection- especially the Republicans that were in Congress and running for their lives.

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Democrats must, always, always, ALWAYS, attempt to govern, even when it fails. Anything less is surrender.

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You do know Democrats can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time, right?

Working on this does nothing to stop their efforts on a discharge petition for Ukrainian aid, which is not being held up by any Democratic efforts, but by finding Republicans with the courage to stand up to their party and leadership.

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So the US Constitution does not apply in the States…got it. And States Rights only applies when it is in the interest of the reich wing…got it.

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How so?

Can they though?

In theory yes. But since the House is the issue, having House members do something that is DOA and going nowhere, when we have to get Ukraine aid passed in the House through a discharge petition which is missing in action, it is beyond insulting that they waste time doing this shit.

I believe it is only federal offices. But then I think they made a mistake. US Representatives and Senators are only voted for in a single state.

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Then point to me what action House Democrats aren’t taking on the Ukrainian aid that they could if they weren’t working on this? And you can’t invoke Murc’s law-like magic.

We know the barriers for why Ukrainian aid isn’t getting to the floor:

  • Moscow Mike and his Putin co-conspirators refusing to put it on the floor through the normal process
  • Lack of Republicans willing to openly commit and sign a discharge petition
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Where is the discharge petition?

Today’s decision has produced a confused discussion. Colorado’s secretary of state acted in part to maintain the legitimacy of the voting franchise in her state. Coloradans vote, which implies a more engaged public, which is good for democracy. The national rule, the DQ Clause seemed to apply here as Trump was an oathtaker to protect and uphold the rule of law and failed to act accordingly. Of course, although Trump is a clear and present threat to American democracy, the matter is not ripe as there is no criminal conviction for insurrection, incitement or conspiracy to thwart constitutionally mandated actions in a country that has successfully held presidential elections (even during the civil war) every four years for 240 years. But perhaps the nefarious purpose of the SCOTUS is keeping voter participation low and delegitimizing the franchise. If so, they are walking dangerous path. Too low voter participation in a “managed democracy” has its own problems. Ask Putin.

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/91387

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ahem it’s already in the works:

The barrier is the same as it always has been - Republicans with enough of a spine to stand up to their leadership. If you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at the Republican’s in the ‘Problem Solver’s Caucus’ who are happy to highlight their bipartisan bonafides except in where it counts, like signing a discharge petition to bring the Senate bill to the floor.

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So it is still MIA.

Once it is filed and the Ukraine aid bill is passed, then we can focus on this masturbatory bill which is going nowhere in the GOP House.

Masturbation is an important aspect of sexual health, just like pointless attempts to do the right thing are an important aspect of integrity.

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