As Lockdowns Ease, Some Countries Report New Infection Peaks

ROME (AP) — While millions of people took advantage of easing coronavirus lockdowns to enjoy spring weather, some of the world’s most populous countries reported worrisome new peaks in infections Sunday, including India, which saw its biggest single-day jump yet.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1307157

“Nobody could’ve predicted that.”

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This does not bode well. The asshole contingent in this country is persistent and even the respectful are restless. I fear it’s going to be a long, hot – and sick – summer.

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While Dems are attaching themselves to the lockdown, Trump is branding himself the guy to lead the recovery–which is what many Americans are most concerned about. When will I get my job back? When will I be able to put food on the table? When will the kids be able to go back to school? When will I be able to pay my rent? Trump has no solutions to these questions–indeed he is aggravating the problems–but he is perceived to be giving them his full attention. Hence his surging approval numbers.

The political tragedy is that effective public health policy does not preclude a communications strategy that emphasizes that Democrats are the ones to be trusted with economic recovery. Democrats must understand that most voters are frantic about this lockdown to end and must address those concerns by (1) trashing Trump for his economic incompetence (something they haven’t done); and (2) promising millions of new jobs in the future. Make the contrast vivid and existential.

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Russia’s latest tally of infections was nearly double the new cases reported a week ago. More than half of Russia’s new cases were in Moscow, where concern is rising about whether the capital’s medical facilities will be overwhelmed.

Meanwhile, they’re throwing their doctors out of windows. Doesn’t seem like Putin has really thought this through.

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Sorry, where are you seeing this? My understanding is the vast majority of the country continues to see the need to socially distance and, in general, be very careful.

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Trump’s approval is highest ever. People may be keen on social distancing, but they want to hear about when they can get their lives back to normal. Economic recovery will be the number issue in November. It already is.

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links for the approvals being highest ever, pls.
I’ve seen plenty of polls showing him down way below his norm…

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see my original post

Anybody else laugh at the caption, “a guy rides a bike…”?

I sure did. Is that AP style now?

Here’s fivethirtyeight.com’s aggregated chart: [How Popular is Donald Trump?]

Approval is down from March 28th’s peak of 45.8% to 43.4% on May 2.

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By November we will be poking embers.

FDR and HIS Americans would have put their heads together and solved this problem.
It would be ridiculously easy for a modern, united nation. But Trump and the GOP have lowered the collective spirit of the people in this country.

If people are so hell-bent on working and interacting, they HAVE to make allowances for a virus the likes of which this country and the world have never seen.

  • They can’t protest that reality away
  • They can’t have contests to see who is the most obnoxious and the virus will go away

Below is a post from another thread

["A word on “Opening Up”.

Congress is loath to do this, but we need–among other things:

  • Sustained income… leading to work-based income… Not a one-shot handout
  • A way to restructure work AROUND (1) safety, (2) distance, (3) tests, (4) proper clothing, (5) proper equipment and Modification of those work arenas which need to be modified. This would mean that those who work from home would be relatively free from extensive work modification.

As an example, I have a cousin who works from home. The modifications would be less than someone in, say, the restaurant business…

Trained professionals would have to assess which work sectors and types of work would be amenable to altering their procedures to accommodate (1) thru (5) necessities.

With the adaptations people have been able to work out in the United States over the course of its History, this is a doable task"]

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Good luck with that, since a) we aren’t going to have a recovery by the time that people are ready to make their choices, regardless of what Trump does, and b) his incompetence led directly to the deaths and economic turmoil that we are seeing, and will continue to see.

Hence his surging approval numbers.

Trump doesn’t have any “surging approval numbers.” He got a brief boost when the virus hit but squandered that because of who he is, what actions he took (and didn’t take), and who he put in charge. You should never look at a single poll; you always look at the aggregate. And, right now, that aggregate is showing pretty much what we’ve seen all along, that his approval rating is in the low 40s following a brief boost to the mid 40s.

Democrats must understand that most voters are frantic about this lockdown to end

Since every poll I’ve seen for the past several weeks disagrees with your assertion here, I’m going to need to see some evidence. On average, something like 2/3 of the public is more concerned about prematurely ending the lockdown than they are about continuing it. Now maybe that will change in the future but, right now, anyway, I would say that you are rather ludicrously incorrect.

Trump’s approval is highest ever.

No, it really isn’t. It’s down a few percentage points from the peak he hit a little while ago.

Economic recovery will be the number issue in November. It already is.

[Shrug] So? Trump has no response here, and no plan.

For the record, Trump’s approval ratings from a number of pollsters, as shown on RCP, are in the low- to mid-40s. The Gallup poll you pointed to is a clear outlier. Other polls taken since show Trump at 44%, 41%, 44%, 43%, 44%, 45%, etc. (That last one is Rasmussen, one of Trump’s favorite pollsters, since it trends Republican by at least a percentage point.)

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And pushing through more direct funding to individuals to ease the immediate pain. Every civilized country (note I deliberately didn’t include us with an “other” here) is making monthly relief payments and it’s enough to feed and house yourself. We can do better, America…

So here’s a suggested slogan:

No More Billions for Billionaires!

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Errr- non, mon ami.

The trick with this stuff is to pick one reputable pollster or aggregator and watch the trendline. I’ve been following the 536 poll on Donnie’s popularity since he was “elected” and it most certainly doesn’t show is approval as “the highest ever”. In fact, his highest Approval in their trendline was on April 1 & 3, at 45.8%. As of yesterday, it’s at 43.4% and the trendline is strongly down (Oh, and if you select for only “Registered or Likely Voters”, it’s even lower at 43.1%).

Check it out here:

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We are definitely in agreement. Like me, you said “monthly relief payments”. And I am confident that you are all for “work”, so long as it is SAFE. If more people were pointing these things out, we would be looking at HOW we work as much as IF we work.

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I live in a heavily touristed neighborhood in Seattle, the Pike Place Market. The entrance to my apartment building is about a dozen yards from this odious tourist attraction called the “gum wall” where people come to stick chewed up gum balls on the wall such that both sides of an alley, for maybe ten yards are crammed with it, from top to bottom. On an average day even in the winter, there are dozens of people there taking selfies, and in the summer I need to walk an extra few blocks, to avoid them because they totally block the passageway and the only way to get through is to elbow them.
Its already starting to fill up a bit, every time I go outside there are 6 - 12 people there taking pictures, and yes, sticking chewed up gum to the wall.

Which brings to mind tourism, and neighborhoods like mine, and the entire economy of Italy. There must be two hundred genuinely small businesses within a few blocks of me, from t shirt shops, to bakeries, bars and restaurants, that almost nobody but tourists frequent. I am worried for all of them. At the same time the idea of people from Georgia or Texas coming here to jam up the sidewalks, as I am sure they are planning to do as soon as they possibly can, absolutely pisses me off.

I don’t know how people in Venice or Florence are going to deal with this. Or here either. I wish Inslee would guard the damn borders and keep tourists the hell out.

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Absolutely. I’m still working full time, but I’m fortunate that I, as a “knowledge worker” can do my work from the new home office in my garage. I’m writing specifications for student projects, developing software, developing prototypes for exciting new initiatives. What I’m not doing is going into a room with other people, breathing on them, touching things, so I’m far less likely to either infect, or get infected. And yes, I’m prepared to do this as long as necessary. And yes, as a fairly well off individual, I’m prepared to pay the taxes needed to allow others to either work safely, or stay at home.

I’ve posted this before, but I find it insane that I, as someone who actually made so much last year that they had to discount my “relief check”, got my money on the first day yet my other family members (including a son and daughter both back in school) so far have received nothing, only one of my eight siblings have received anything and one is currently classed as “ineligible” because on his last tax return in 2018 his new foreign-born spouse didn’t yet have a SSN, so he’s not currently eligible to get anything at all!!!

So yes his wife does now have an SSN and my brother is working on getting this year filed, but as someone working for a multi-national who spends a lot of time overseas, his taxes are so complex the company pays an accounting firm to file them for him and he doesn’t yet know when that will happen this year. But again, why are people like us the ones taking up the available bandwidth, when all those 30 million thrown out of work are lucky if they get one check in all this fuster cluck. Truly, truly incompetent execution on a truly brain dead plan.

I want my country back - the one that could build almost 140 aircraft carriers in four years, the ones who built enough trucks that we could give them away to equip the Russian army while also equipping anyone else on our side who needed them, the one that was giving airplanes and Liberty ships away to whoever needed them, who equipped 16 million service men and women for WW II, while also arming our allies and fighting two simultaneous world wars!! Today, I couldn’t find a bottle of hydrogen peroxide in three stores, and haven’t been able to find toilet paper after 10:00 am for weeks.

Folks, we can do better than this, but not if we keep denying science and feeding these incompetent dipshits. I don’t want to hear about Bernie, I don’t want to hear about “allegations of sexual assault” against the Democratic candidate, I don’t want to hear anything except “Donald J. Trump has suffered an historic defeat tonight, in the most lopsided election in U.S. history - film at 11!” And I want to hear that each and every one of us is working to make it happen.

Solidarity is the key. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem so let’s all get with the program!

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