How would it work if there isn’t any immunity at all?
There is no immunity that a nasal coronavirus head cold confers - you can pass one back and forth for infinity.
They don’t know if there is immunity to this virus. It would be an experiment with all of us as the lab rats. When they tried this in Sweden people died by thousands and they had to apologize.
poorly.
Don’t mince your words.
Don’t worry. This whole thing makes me furious.
I see now where you get the 9%, but I still think it’s an overestimate.
First, that resolved-cases calculation combines the more recent low death rate with the April horrors in the NYC area. That death rate in NYC was partly the hospitals being slammed, which will happen again - is starting to happen again - in other places as they let the infection spread widely.
But it was partly the newness of the infection. By now, we have better information on how to use ventilators, how to use pronation, etc.
Even if FL, TX, AZ, etc. have failed to learn from NY on controlling the infection, they’re likely to learn from us on treatment.
Lastly, there’s the issue of undiscovered cases.
The numerator of the closed-cases calculation is probably missing some Covid deaths.
But the denominator much more likely includes lots of infections that are uncounted because the person has no symptoms, or are reluctant to get tested, or they find that testing is not available to them.
So there are lots of people who got infected - and maybe sick and recovered - who aren’t in the denominator of the closed-cases number.
We have but our death rate is rising, regardless. Furthermore there are long term damages done to the body by the infection.
I read an account by a forensic doctor this morning who has done autopsies on COVID deaths - there have been blood clots in every organ. It may cause brain damage.
You don’t just get it and get over it. You have lasting damage to your body - this whole thing is a gross fucking lie by people who don’t want to do anything to save lives.
So the thing about ‘herd immunity’ is that it only applies to diseases you can’t get again.
And the word on Covid is that antibodies don’t last, so they can put this manure back with the rest from their herd, y’heard?
Yes but the death rate during those April horrors was 20%. The mortality rate can’t get the benefit of computing against unresolved cases. The question that has to be answered is once infected, what is your expectation of death. Right now that’s running at 9%. It may continue to fall but how far and how quickly is subject to several unknowable factors, And that if conditions in the care system continue deteriorate because of the flood of new cases then it is likely to rise. Any final mortality rate above 2% puts you in rare company and not in a good way.
That’s ok they think babies are the world’s greatest birth control down there too.
Fuck these herd immunity murderers.
Sadly, I think this idiot might get his wish. More cases, but no “herd immunity”.
I for one will be crawling over broken glass and/or swimming the Covid Sea to vote for Doug and for Joe. BTW Del Marsh is one of the legislative heroes that were trying to gut state ethics laws last year. He has also tangled with Memaw Ivey and has come out the worse for wear. Hopefully this has limited his influence at least to some extent.
Why, oh, why do the State Legislators in Alabama go out of their way to confirm the unfortunate stereotype of the State that prevails in popular culture.
Okay, sure: you first.
Do you think they could possibly look outside their own back yard and see what is happening in other states and especially other countries? No, all that matters is what happens to pop into their ignorant little heads at the time.
Thank you for putting this in perspective. We are getting too many false claims and bogus numbers.
“Herd immunity” never happened for measles-- a disease that ‘got’ almost everyone in childhood, and conferred lifelong immunity. Every year in the US, many millions of children would get it from another child. They’d never get it again, and never be contagious again. Yet… every year another few million would get it (there being a steady crop of new kids each year).
The only thing that gave “herd immunity” was an effective vaccine (and the first one wasn’t that effective). Even so, every year, some unvaccinated people get it somehow. That is, even with near-universal immunization, measles is still waiting in our communities, waiting to infect some of the few people who didn’t get vaccinated.
The only disease I can think of that’s been actually wiped out by “herd immunity” is smallpox, and that happened because in a massive effort, every human on the planet was immunized.
As a rapidly mutating virus whose immunity-production is uncertain, there’s just no way Covid-19 is going to infect some and then everyone is safe.
Sure thing, buddy…
You go first.
And this very well could have become more true once it was revealed that people of color are more vulnerable to COVID.
The “skin wars” just never end with those people.
Gets better: patients who’ve had mild or no symptoms show a marked drop in antibodies a few weeks after the virus is no longer detectable. It’s possible that the memory B cells keep them ready, but indications may well be that there is no functional immunity after infection.