Discussion: Elizabeth Warren Says She's 'Troubled' By Reports Of Obama's $400K Speaking Fee

I have no idea what you are talking about. People who vote against their interests are always the problem, but that would require some knowledge of history, as opposed to carrying around a chronic chip on your shoulder.

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Yes, paint all “green” supporters as stoners. Can’t be economics… nope must be the drugs that make people not vote for the Dems.

Keep on wining with that.

All of these public speaker types, including Elizabeth Warren, have agents who book engagements. They charge for each gig. What is Warren’s standard rate?

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Really? I didn’t know that.

(rolls eyes)

The point is, the Bernie Bros brigade accuses anyone and everyone that doesn’t agree with their approach to anything and everything of being a “neoliberal”.

It’s a great little label-mongeirng scam.

Even in this very thread a holier-than-thou wannabe points to the the guns in national parks amendment that was signed into law as part of the credit card consumer protection bill.

But let’s say President Obama vetoes that bill because of the guns in parks amendment.

Would “progressives” prefer that political loser and not getting the credit card bill signed?

That’s the problem with many of my fellow progressives who posture for purity… actual governance and legislating is not black-and-white. There is a whole lot of gray, and trade-offs in most situations.

I’ll take practical progressivism over political purity any day.

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ummmm ‘Philadelphia Summer’.

Ellison was a part of the committee that put together that platform.

Now if you want to make this about messengers, than okiedokie…

Sanders seemingly couldn’t be bothered to campaign down south…discuss.

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We have more important things to deal with, Senator.

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Like, hell yes I’m taking it, that’s a lot of money. Oh, and I could do a lot of good with it.

I’m sure Elizabeth is getting hers from somewhere like they all do, this is just a matter of degrees, a ratio.

I totally agree, if it is truly practical progressivism and not smoke and mirrors for protecting the interests of investment bankers.

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Third party voters in Michigan, Pa., and Wisconsin gave Trump the White House. Stein is complicit.

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Thanks for the response but you’re starting with a lot of assumptions. It was two decades after the S&L scandal and the banksters weren’t looking over their shoulders. All was forgotten. They would have been very ‘concerned’ if the 2008 crash happened within five years of the S&L crisis. The prosecution percentage in the S&L crisis was close to 100% - with jail time convictions. So to dismiss it as ‘didn’t convince the banksters’ is to dismiss the success of the S&L crisis.

And lawyers ‘passing on opinions’ does not negate mens rea. It’s simply a legal smoke screen. There was definitely intention or knowledge of wrongdoing. Many CDO’s were designed to fail. Magnetar’s CDO’s were the perfect example.

I don’t know of any criminal referrals that led to prosecutions by Holder. In fact, Holder never reestablished the criminal referral process, which is from the banking regulatory agencies. They’re the ones who go after the bank CEO’s. Holder could have reestablished that criminal referral on the first day in office. And when he left the Obama administration he still hadn’t done it. So I don’t know where you’re coming up with these two prosecutions and what made them as the best chance for a successful prosecutions.

But most of that really doesn’t matter. Control Fraud was used successfully with an almost 100% conviction rate in the S&L crisis yet you seem to dismiss it. Holder never considered using it. Why, b/c a few smart lawyers put up the ‘intention’ smokescreen, the ‘gosh I had no knowledge of what was going on defense?’ I don’t think any 50 year old bankster who was ‘living the dream’ and had a family, was even remotely willing to take the chance of winding up in a federal penitentiary. Do you? Deals could have been made. But Holder couldn’t be bothered. If there was any ‘intention’ at all it was with the Obama administration, as was reported, to ‘looking forward, not back’.

But the real fraudulent activity was in the rating game and the rating agencies. And Goldman Sachs was their biggest customer. GS would buy up thousands of mortgages, bundle them into a single security, brings it to Moody’s and have it rated AAA paper, in effect setting up their own credit standards. Without that rating their (GS) product was worthless in selling to big state pension funds, as they were forbidden to buy these products if they were not rated AAA. But GS could and did sell them to the single investors and foreign banks. And that investor would have no idea of the underlining mortgages or the truncating process used to bury the subprime mortgages within the products, and nor did they care b/c what they they were buying were rated AAA.

Moody’s knew what was going on and so did GS. They also knew almost half of the bundled mortgages were NINA loans with no income or asset verification. But investors never knew these facts, all they saw was the AAA rating.

Investment houses like GS were so busy selling mortgages they set up SPV’s - a special-purpose vehicle, a ghost corp, financed by selling bonds in a dozen tiers,deliberately separating the risk and payments - protecting the real AAA mortgage paper when and if the sub-prime paper in the bundle started to default. It was like a sophisticated Ponzi scheme and what the movie Big Short was all about, shorting ARM’s due within a year that already had a high default rate.

The banks and investment houses involved in this fraud would have fallen over like bowling pins if efforts were taken by Holder, with Obama’s blessing, to investigate and prosecute. But it wasn’t to be. There were no real reasons not to. IMO, you’re giving me excuses, not reasons.

If you can’t add any content chammy (other than insults), please STFU.

And relief to the homeowners

LOL! What relief?

The salient point however is that Dodd-Frank puts in place protections to prevent a cascading failure.

Right. Banks are 50% bigger than in 2010. No possible cascading failure you say? Sure, they’ll fill out the required DF will and slowly dis-invest. Right.

Still the same old ass-kisser I remember.

Never once said any bank could not fail. But it would not cause a systemic threat and Dodd-Frank as requires planning be in place for unwinding collapsing institutions as well as much higher capitalization requirements.

And size is irrelevant, it is assets vs. reserves.

But as always… SQUIRREL!

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Amusingly enough I remember grumbling back when Warren first ran that she couldn’t be a progressive because she only converted from republicanism far too late. Or something. So it’s entertaining now to watch her being held up as some sort of a model of the left.

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I was troubled when I got an email from Elizabeth Warren today asking for my money. We don’t like the same people. So I quit her and unsubscribed frim those. I can’t believe she wants a working woman like me to give her money.

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:japanese_goblin: Haters, faking faux outrage!

You go back and do the math - How many copies of “Dreams of my father” and “Audacity of Hope” sold worldwide, to catapult Obama’s net worth to $11 million?

I’m about to vomit, witnessing all this sanctimonious belching from Sanders, Warren or any progressive, polishing their virtue dung.

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And good for you, because you can’t do math apparently.

The highest grossing Harry Potter book brought in about $35 million.

Bush’s book deal was $7 million.

Think about that as you clean up your mess.

Washington Monthly reports that Fox started the story because it figured “Progressives” would behave as they did. They also point out the racism of the objections. Read if you dare.

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