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So now its the 4th amendment.
Kelley said putting a serial number on his products wouldn’t hurt his company. But using those numbers to require background checks is a “critical threat” to his business, which he said relies on a growing market of individuals who “value their Fourth Amendment rights” to privacy.
“There’s a problem when people’s right to privacy is infringed and a government agency is looking at what you bought whenever they want,” he said.
My question is what about cars, homes, hearing aids, washing machines, livestock, air conditioners. I mean there is all sorts of stuff that have serial numbers so they can be traced by the Government.
The truth is putting serial numbers on his products would hurt his business because his intended buyer is often a criminal and doing so would hurt his business.
Just two days ago I had to locate a replacement hatch cover for my camper, which had gone missing. The fellow at the parts department of the dealership I called asked me for my model number so he could get me the correct item.
I guess Kelley doesn’t want his parts returned as defective! And he certainly doesn’t want to actually know who purchased his product and to what use they put it. Plausible Deniability, anyone?
Back to the simple solution: require all gun manufacturers to carry adequate insurance against the incorrect use of their product.
Bang, bang, shoot 'em up, 1, 2, 3…
Kelley said putting a serial number on his products wouldn’t hurt his company. But using those numbers to require background checks is a “critical threat” to his business…
This crap makes me new colors of angry. Businesses don’t have a right to be successful. That doesn’t matter, no matter what Amendment you try to apply.
“Polymer80 is on the front lines of protecting the Second Amendment rights of all Americans right now,” Kelley told ProPublica. “That’s not a brag. It’s just the reality because we’ve become the whipping boy for emotionally driven government policy.”
Hey Kelley the reason why it’s become, had to become an emotionally driven government policy is that too many people are injured, maimed, and die because of your product.
And why do you ya’lls dismiss the “well regulated” part of the 2nd?
“Polymer80 is on the front lines of protecting the Second Amendment rights of all Americans right now,” Kelley told ProPublica. “That’s not a brag. It’s just the reality because we’ve become the whipping boy for emotionally driven government policy.”
It is at that point anything he has to say ends up blah,blah, blah in my head. He is greedy, making money and doesn’t give a rats about the consequence or protecting the rights of Americans. He just wants to make money.
Kelley said putting a serial number on his products wouldn’t hurt his company. But using those numbers to require background checks is a “critical threat” to his business, which he said relies on a growing market of individuals who “value their Fourth Amendment rights” to privacy.
Yeah, yeah, defending the rights of citizens. While making money.
If there was no profit, would he struggle onward operating at a loss? Those New Yawk law firms ain’t cheap ya know. Defending the rights of liberty?
I just read an article on CNBC that says
- New Biden administration rules that put homemade firearm kits used to build “ghost guns” in the same legal category as traditional firearms went into effect on Wednesday.
- The regulations require that the main components used to manufacture ghost guns – the frames and receivers – be assigned serial numbers.
- They also require that buyers undergo background checks before purchasing the components and that dealers be federally licensed to sell the kits and keep records of sales.
I would like to know more about those new rules.
There are some firearms that have complete industries supplying replacement parts. You can easily buy barrels, triggers, and other pistol parts on line and fit them to your Glock, the one you bought from a licensed dealer that has a serial number assigned by the manufacturer that was recorded by the dealer when it was purchased.
What we are talking about is the ATF rule that says the manufacturer doesn’t have to stamp a serial number on a frame or receiver that is no more than 80% complete. In theory the rule allows the manufacturer to sell incomplete frames to other manufacturers who finish the frame or receiver and stamp serial numbers before sale of a completed firearm to the public. This company is exploiting what is essentially a loophole that lets a parts manufacturer sell unstamped frames to the ultimate manufacturer who is obligated to stamp the final product. Very few individuals are going to actually complete the paperwork and stamp a serial number on the completed gun. It is a wide open loophole Biden should be able to close.
His intended buyer are the gun nuts who worry about the government knowing how many weapons they have at home…they think they can build up an arsenal for the day that there’s a revolution and we all end up in their paradise (which sounds a lot like Somalia). Criminals are likely a small part of the number of people who buy his guns, and they probably are an even smaller fraction of his profits.
An honest, moral person would be willing to help the police solve violent crimes committed with their product. The fact that they aren’t willing to do that tells you how much they care about their fellow Americans…really, it’s likely they look forward to shooting up everyone who they think isn’t with them in their quest for utopia.
You make a good point but most people don’t understand the intensity of the propaganda aimed at the survivalist crowd. They are constantly told that their guns are all that stand between them and the millions upon millions of alien home invaders or street thugs that make life in their suburbs dangerous, not to mention the hoards of jack booted government agents who are coming to take their freedom away.
As the normal trappings of modern life, mainstream churches, coffee shops, services clubs, bowling leagues etc, have fallen away all they have left is the stuff that is being pushed on them by action news, the NRA, right wing media and the internet. All the while nobody seems to notice or care. .
It really is worse than the fallout shelter hysteria that we saw back in the 1950s. Since after Covid we have elected to evacuate many office buildings replacing them with home offices and zoom meetings I don’t think things are going to get better anytime soon. People just don’t have a way to level balance the stuff they see on the unfiltered media.
Judge shopping for a right wing freak is rarely helpful in the long run. It’s all about the composition of the appellate court.
Right wing special interests don’t seek out federal trial courts in Texas because Texas has a lot of federal district court judges who are right wing nut jobs. They do it because appeals go to the Fifth Circuit which, at this point, makes SCOTUS look like a bunch of hippies running a socialist book store in 1960’s Berkeley.
Thanks for sharing this. Cue Mr. Kelley suing to “protect his customers’ Second Amendment Rights.” What a bunch of bullshit. Are my rights to drive a car “abridged” by having to register said vehicle with the state?
Alas, so many good people will die while these vampires sell death to our nation as if it was some sort of medicine. Guns are not a medicine and more guns will end up causing more unnecessary and needless killings in our country.