Why Ohio And Michigan’s Politics Continue To Diverge

[globalguy]

@dannydorko

“It’s the hillbillies.”

Never been to Michigan’s Ypsitucky or Irish Hills, eh?

[dont]

Pardon me as I go on an off topic rant. Mrs dont handed me a NYT recipe from yesterday for Ricotta Pasta Alla Vodka. The first ingredient is Kosher salt. The third ingredient is four slices of thick cut BACON. Am I missing something here?
What is about sodium chloride that it has to be blessed. If I need to add some water does it have to be holy water?
A separate issue is when I cook with bacon or pancetta I rarely add salt. They’re f’ing cured meats. Plenty salty to begin with.
Sorry about this but…

[jpz]

Maybe it’s not strictly “demographic” but another potential factor omitted is religious affiliation. Southern Ohio is part of the Bible Belt - per Pew (a few years back) 29% of Ohioans are evangelical. It was 25% for MI.

[mike_in_houston]

Agreed. Single party rule by the GOP for decades creates a couple of perverse effects:

1. the party in charge (GOP) spends a lot of time protecting its turf - never underestimate the propensity for GOP fuckery.
2. the party out of office (Democrats) has great difficulty gaining traction and tends to flounder and focuses on “safe” areas which doesn’t create many opportunities to break through the barriers set up by the other side.

You either need some seismic failure of the ruling party that totally pisses off the electorate or a huge outside force that changes the political equation.

East Palestine is a potential tipping point if Democrats can take advantage of:

• Republican unwillingness to enact more safety regulations
• Republican unwillingness to hold Norfolk Southern accountable
• Republican unwillingness to help with clean-up / health care resources

Democrats should hammer DeWine & the GOP for taking a week to ask for federal help – that Biden offered within hours.

[Akimbo]

Or spent a lot of time with yooper and yooper wannabes

[Hatmama]

I love Yoopers, and Yooperisms, and rutabagas in my pasties.

Yep, you betcha.
Not like doze trolls down sout’ of uz, eh?

Take a Finn, French Canadian, Cornish English, and Swede, an mix em up, an dis is whats up in the UP, aina hey?

[dont]

My sister lives in the Irish Hills. She’s a good D but her hubby?

[zandru]

@jinnj

Remember it is a pretty generally accepted point that just 12 years earlier - in 1968 - Nixon - through various channels - meddled in foreign relations matters without authority to do so

There are actually NSA intercepts which confirm this … and LBJ listened to them.

[terrycarroll]

@dont

Kosher salt

“Kosher salt” is just a phrase. It refers to coarse grained salt, also known as “kitchen salt … cooking salt, flake salt, rock salt, kashering salt or koshering salt” (per Wikipedia). The “Kosher” label is merely a reference to the type of salt used in the brining process, which is associated with actual Kosher food preparation; however, the salt itself is generally non-denominational. The “Kosher” term seems to have gained popularity in the past decade or so, growing in usage at the same time that American cooking took on a more nuanced appreciation for “artisanal” sodium chloride that differs in shape, texture, and crystal size from old-fashioned “table salt.” An important distinction that makes “Kosher salt” Kosher is the absence of additives, such as iodine. So it acts as a signal term, useful for taste purists and observant Jews at the same time.

I agree with you on “plenty salty to begin with,” though. That recipe seems like a cardio-vascular workout.

[pmaurath57]

@socalista

There is no possible way to know the political preference of Michigan’s registered voters that haven’t voted. There is no party preference or membership in Michigan’s voter roles. This information is never captured anywhere – at least not by the State

Replace “Michigan” with “Ohio” here and it’s still true. Party registration is which party’s ballot you requested in the last primary.

[fuadreviez]

Except for Cleveland, ALL of Ohio is “southern.” Michigan is a working class “union” state (Flint sit-down anyone?).

Ohio is the south, Michigan is the north. Doesn’t mean we (Michigan) don’t have our Confederate sympathizers (Kid Rock, “The Nuge”). Also helps that our state legislature didn’t nullify the initiative we passed to take voting district drawing out of the legislature’s hands. Lo and behold, the first election after that we elect the first fully D government in 40+ years.

[jm917]

Southern Ohio–the Ohio River Valley–was settled in the early-mid 19th century by people from Virginia and Kentucky.

Northern Ohio–the Great Lakes region, down to about Columbus–was setted by New Englanders and New Yorkers.

The diferences between these two groups in terms of religion, settlement patterns, farming practices, dialect, and culture were considerable, leaving a deep mark on the state’s subsequent history.

After the Civil War and extending into the early 20th century, there were new waves of immigration, primarily to northern Ohio but also to Cincinnati, of Europeans to work in the factories and of Blacks from the South to escape Jim Crow (and later also to work in factories). Again, this new immigration accentuated the contrast between the urban and rural parts of Ohio.

Michigan, by contrast, was in the early-mid 19th century settled almost entirely by westward-moving New Englanders and New Yorkers, joined after the Civil War by European (and later Black) “recruits” for heavy industry. At least until World War II, immigrants from Appalachia (who formed an important part of Ohio’s demographic), were rare in Michigan.

[littlegirlblue]

I saw this recipe myself and it sounds deelish. In the remarks on the recipe page from home cooks about this dish no one mentions the amount of salt as being excessive, but it is needed in order to flavor the rest of the ingredients including the ricotta which is salt free, the tomato paste, the vodka, the onion, the garlic, etc. The salt from the bacon alone won’t make that happen.

Ricotta Pasta Alla Vodka Recipe

[dave_mb]

@garrybee

Congressional investigations into collusion between the Reagan campaign and Iran did not find evidence of wrongdoing at the time, but Barnes’ account has the potential to shed light on the much-debated episode, which has become known as the “October surprise.”

Remember the Iran/ Contra scandal in 1986? Where do you think they got the Iranian contacts?

[dannydorko]

@globalguy

Never been to Michigan’s Ypsitucky or Irish Hills , eh?

I have been to Ypsilanti (is that your referent?) and the Irish Hills. But it’s been a loooong time.

[voreason]

“Why Ohio And Michigan’s Politics Continue To Diverge”

Gosh, I kind of thought it was because Michigan is wonderful and Ohio kind of sucks.

But then I’m a little biased.

You’all know we went to war with Ohio over Toledo. Ohio ultimately won Toledo, and Michigan was given the UP as a consolation.

[mrf]

I don’t think that it was confusing and basically verified by the people involved. There was the William Casey angle and the Carter NSC advisor Gary Sick who brought it before a congressional committee.
I remember at the time many of my more conservative leaning neighbors and friends at the time the hostages were released praising Reagan.
It seemed to choreographed for me but to them it was the right wing meme “Reagan is strong and he stood up to and pressured the Iranians to release them”.

[madassyrian]

@jpz

It was 25% for MI.

Yes, and the majority of them live in counties bordering Ohio.
Michigan’s bible belt runs from Lake Michigan to Lake Erie.

[dannydorko]

@voreason

Gosh, I kind of thought it was because Michigan is wonderful and Ohio kind of sucks.

“If you seek a pleasant peninsula, look about you.”

[madassyrian]

@Hatmama

and rutabagas in my pasties.

It ain’t a pastie if it doesn’t have bagies in it, or lard and beef suet in the crust.
Also, not a pastie if it uses ground beef, or has gravy on top. Ketchup only.