Following last week’s attack on Paul Pelosi — husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) — both the Department of Justice and the State of California have moved to prosecute the alleged attacker, David Wayne DePape, who was arrested on the scene.
• Clearly a soft-headed type, driven to stupid, criminal violence by the GQP and its Bullshit Mountain of Lies.
•• Of course, this makes him eligible and qualified for Ronna McDaniels’ job as Party Head.
••• New GQP Motto: “It’s hammer time!”
Lies coming from DC? After Trump’s lie-a-minute, nothing but lies, Presidential term? That’s rich…
That one struck me, “lies coming out of DC.” He’s not mentally ill, he knew what he was doing, he knew it was illegal and didn’t care. I’m at a loss to describe the current GOP leadership, Stalin would approve.
I’d like to get these (let’s call them what they are) losers under oath and ask what lies they are talking about. And just because you don’t like the answer you’re given doesn’t mean you are being lied to.
And all these people are truly incapable of comprehending the consequences of their actions. Did he honestly think that he could hold Nancy Pelosi hostage and he wouldn’t pay any REAL consequences for it? That cops and prosecutors would say “well, he made a good argument. Who cares if he kneecaps the Speaker of the House? He can go on his way.”
There is no leadership, they are following their voters, not leading them.
I have a brother with clinically diagnosed mental illness. He would never listen to the BS propaganda coming from the alt-right and act on it in this way. He would call that “crazy behavior.” People like this loser are not mentally ill. They are sociopaths and they are drinking from the firehouse of shit coming from fucking trump and his cultists. This guy knew exactly what he was doing. He’s just stupid and a loser. He’s not mentally ill.
These things aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive. But I don’t think the mental “illness” is exculpatory, particularly given fairly careful preparations for the criminal act.
Fair enough.
Not an expert by any means. But I think the way to look at this is to ask:
Can he claim to be ‘not guilty by reason of mental defect’ or whatever the standard is for the jurisdiction in which he would be tried.
You can’t be mentally normative and believe that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex slave ring out of the basement of a DC pizzeria. But you very well may be responsible for your actions and fit to stand trial.
This guy is wacko, but maybe not psychotic or otherwise so detached from reality as to be not responsible.
My concern about throwing this sociopath into the mentally ill bin is that it really destructively stigmatizes the mentally ill, who are FAR more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators. Most people with mental illness are not violent.
His thinking is disordered, for sure. He thinks things that don’t make sense. But you get into deep water pretty quickly if you don’t have the clinical or legal background to know the current professional views of this stuff and how it affects his situation. Our real current problem is that I’d estimate there are millions who think in this disordered way and thousands willing to act on it if they start slipping their gears enough, get enough reinforcement, are radicalized online or wherever. There are that many people so damn credulous that they’ll believe all or most of what you tell them, no matter how implausible. They’ve got a hell of a long climb down if they ever do wake up, and many never really will.
Lots of J6 defendants are in nearly as bad shape regarding delusional, unfounded ideas they’re willing to act on. I can’t think of one with an NGRI acquittal. It’s a really hard standard to meet.
Exactly what lies are coming from Pelosi? He probably
couldn’t come up with one.
Exactly - the Dems leading every blue state should set out the priority to arrest anyone making violent threats online - the House should have the FBI maker regular reports on all violent threats and ramp arrests and prosecutions of all cases like Swalwell
We should immediately start a “See something Say something” campaign for reporting violent rhetoric to local police and provide scripts for people to use with known family or friends that may have mental I’ll or violent tendencies
It’s real fucking simple - we go after the crazy head on - if they break one law - we make sure they are going to face the law
Don’t fuck around anymore - every Dem is in danger
But he is clearly being lied to, all day every day. It’s just not coming from where he thinks it is.
No, he didn’t think there would be any real consequences, just like the J6 participants, the Dropbox vigilantes and all the rest of the nincompoops that have FAFO’d over the last two years.
Except for TFG and the higher ups.
Stalin would be laughing his ass off.
To steal a line, he may not be legally insane, but he is crazy.
DePape told law enforcement he “swung the hammer towards” Paul Pelosi.
Didn’t the police sledge that they actually saw DePape strike Pelosi with the hammer?
OT but -
About 2 hours ago my wife was shopping and she texted me that she was going to be late because she was in a lockdown situation. When she reassured me that no guns were involved, she explained that a very large woman had become agitated and then began screaming at the top of her lungs because the self check out line was completely backed up and there were only 2 grocery clerks for all of the rest of the shoppers. My wife said she was throwing her groceries and swinging her grocery basket around. Everyone got out safely and the woman was taken in by the police - hopefully to a crisis center.
This is not the only incident we have had at this local Fry’s (Kroeger’s outside of AZ). About 3 weeks ago a woman got frustrated about a parking situation and ended up hooking her rather large Suburban bumper on one of those rail/fences they use to line up loose grocery carts in the parking lot. She kept driving as the large piece of metal swayed back and forth, hitting random cars as she exited the parking lot and dragged the thing about a quarter mile down the street before getting stopped.
These are not short fuses - they are hair triggers.