Yes he did…he’s a democrat. In goober eyes that is more than enough
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I stand corrected.
I expect he had imaginary friends as a child.
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Hmm. The red side or blue side? 
The red side can’t seem to agree, or
disagree with themselves, at any given minute. It may be very difficult to get any
kind of sensible answer from them.
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Red pill or blue pill?
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Everybody is missing the obvious point. It’s not (just) the 14th Amendment that bars Trump from running – it’s (also) the 22nd:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice…
Trump won in 2016 and in 2020 – he says so himself! Q.E.D.
Seriously: If Obama decided to run again, what/who would keep him off the ballot?
What is the mechanism?
If his supporters gathered the requisite signatures…how is he kept off the ballot? Who makes that call? Some local elections figure? Some Secretary of State? That power MUST reside somewhere.
It’s grassroots suing in Minnesota (and elsewhere) to keep Trump off the ballot now, but as soon as some official unilaterally decided to bar Trump (or Biden!), then there will be lawsuits to get him on.
Our system is rooted in good faith – a commodity in desperately short supply.
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Twist and turns in each step. I have no idea what will happen, or why, what is legal or not.
What will put all this to rest? Trump losing the election by large numbers.
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I am glad to see these cases progressing. 14A is very clear in its wording. It was designed to deal with Civil War traitors and it clearly applies to Trump’s J6 conduct (and I think the stolen docs case matters here as well). Let the courts sort this out. In a functional Democracy one who threatened the Republic should never get the chance to hold public office again.
If courts deal with the matter on the merits and don’t bend to the politics involved I think disqualification is what the consideration and application of 14A requires here.
The bar does not have to be anything more than a preponderance of the evidence because Trump’s personal freedom is not being threatened here. Running for and holding office are privileges, not rights.
If it turns out that Trump is disqualified off the MN ballot and the GOP still insists on nominating him, they’ll pay a big price in the down ballot races. That’s as it should be. Political parties should nominate responsible, law abiding candidates.
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3 civil cases
4 criminal indictments
91 felony counts
(the number of his parking tickets is unknown)
Yet trump leads the GOP in polls and various republican office holders are slavishly kissing his unclothed ass and competing for his favor.
There is nothing about him that is responsible or law abiding. He’s a whiny childish sore loser who refuses to be a grown up.
In contrast
Kev McCarthy is doing the bidding of extremists and looking at impeaching President Biden for … being a democrat with the audacity of getting elected to office. The GOP extremists ignore the Constitution’s proscription against accusing one family member for the mistakes of a relative. This is in relation to the part about treason at Article 3 Section 3. The goobers want to lay any crimes of Hunter Biden on Joe and that is not how we ought to do things.
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J6 conduct, upon conviction of a related crime, I agree is enough.
Docs case is a stretch, unless it’s proved he provided these docs to an adversary.
Agree. And Jack Smith is on that.
End runs around Smiths efforts are jumping the gun. It reads like desperation, like Democrats are afraid of Trump winning '24, like Smith might not get a conviction and is bad politics at risk of backfire.
If Smith gets a conviction, on Jan 6th charge… then yes, sure, try the 14A angle…
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We should only follow the Constitution if it “works”. How does that go?
If I follow you, we should not apply the constitution (or the law?) if the other side is full of bullies who don’t care about the Constitution.
The end of that path is that the bullies always get their way. It is the sure path to fascism, to be intimidated by the scoff-laws.
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Wasn’t that Ralph Nader’s “Unsafe at any Speed” car?
I honestly think it would be best for Biden and the Dems to run against trump. Who would replace him? Someone younger but just as MAGA crazy? Help me out why kicking trump off the ballot is a good thing.
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He hasn’t been convicted nor even charged of a crime that applies…
These state challenges won’t work because they’ve jumped the gun. by a long shot.
The only thing worse than it not working, is if it does work.
If states can decide to disqualify based on federal law, that isn’t even being applied federally, 2020 will have been the last US presidential election where both candidates from both major parties will be on the ballot in all 50 states.
And all because impatience.
Let Jack Smith do his thing. If he secures a conviction on the Jan 6th case, then, the 14 A angle could maybe be pursued. Or we let the then convicted felon be the Republican standard barer and lose, with huge loosing coat tails…
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Yep.
And likely a more competent fascist. (Because it’s hard to be less competent than Trump)
It’s not. It’s punching ourselves in the face
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Nader axed the Corvair reputation with his Ford financed book. The '64 Monza was a very cool car, and even better if it had the twin turbos. The flat 6 block had a tendency to leak oil where the two halve were joined, and the heat of the air-cooled engine could cause a fire after the engine was shut off. Ford at that time was building a Jeep for the Army that had the same rear suspension as the Corvair. With the higher 4WD suspension the Army had to send out one of their comic book manuals to advise drivers how to keep it from flipping.
Yeah, it was. This was my buggy…
Here’s the engine (rear mounted but I did not store the spare as in the photo). I put mine up front in the trunk…
See the part at the back that looks like a nosecone? That’s the bit that made the engine turbo charged. This car was fast. My dad was tight buds with someone at Indianapolis Speedway, I do not know who but I was cleared to be able to do 3 laps on my 16th birthday in my own Corvair. The car was a year old at that point in 1965. I put pedal to the metal in that manual shift car. I was clocked at 148 mph. No rattling. Smooth ride.
It did leak oil slightly even when new.
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You have a point, and a strong one. At some point, we have to figure out how to make the federal constitution work in federal elections that are run by the states. But it’s not going to work until somebody tries to make it work. The first step is not to be intimidated by bullies, and to begin to disqualify a man who called for insurrection and then watched it happen and used none of his power to stop it, praising the insurrectionists while the insurrection was in progress. According to the constitution, he’s not qualified. Jack Smith and others will be a crucial part of the process. but the citizens need to begin their part in the process.
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Federal laws can put guardrails on the State run processes. That should be pursued, for sure.
After that is proven in court, then pursuit of the 14A makes sense.
Yes… let’s give him the room…
They will, in the voting booth. Moving ahead of Jack is the mistake in my estimation…
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Look at the image at the head of this article. The message is NOT " Make America Great Again". It is very clearly… Make TRUMP Great Again (MTGA not MAGA)
I think a conviction in Judge Chutkan’s court would suffice. But IANAL, and The Fat Guy has plenty of other personal characteristics that ought to be disqualifying with the electorate.
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