WH, Senate GOPers Discuss Trial Limit | Talking Points Memo

I never believed that McConnell wanted to extend this trial to try to force Dem candidates to attend a trial as opposed to campaigning. Speechifying at an impeachment trial makes for great campaigning! And it seems obvious that any ongoing trial could only hurt Trump.

A two week trial is about as institutionally unsound as the rush job they did for the Kavanaugh confirmation.

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I think Biden is the easiest Democrat to beat because Biden is the one most closely tied to the establishment. He doesn’t appeal to anyone worried about the corrupt insider elites. Trump has to be afraid that a more populist candidate will peel off some of his support. Sanders and Warren, especially Warren, are appealing to the Joe SixPack voters who feel they have been abandoned by the Democrats. To a lesser extent some of the other candidates appeal to those folks as well. Amy Klobuchar is right. To win an Democrat is going to have to win Michigan and Wisconsin. I don’t see Biden doing any better in either than Hillary.

I think the House Managers have some say in the length of the trial as well, but I would suspect they can get the job done in 2 weeks.

Vs. Trump? He definitely will do better/Trump will do worse.

Both states seriously stepped up their voter suppression efforts in 2016. Now both have Democratic governors, which makes taking those steps a great deal more difficult. And the fact that both voted in Democratic governors is a pretty solid indicator of where voters are at. Enthusiasm in terms of Democratic voter turnout is running very high, and will continue as long as Trump is in office.

In fact, his campaign is worried about their chances in MI (as they should be, he is seriously upside down in MI, WI and PA)

I don’t buy that for a second. Trump voters are not going to vote for either Sanders or Warren. If those voters feel they have been “abandoned” by Democrats, it’s not about “economic anxiety”…its about racism. They don’t want “the Other” getting what they think they deserve. Both Sanders and Warren’s message raises those fears, it doesn’t diminish them.

Trump knows who his base is, and how to motivate them. It through “owning the libs” and hating “the Other”. It is not, nor was it ever, about any sort of economic messaging. In a large part, that is why he has engaged in his tariff wars. Its economically damaging, but its hating “the Other”, so his base likes it.

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If you haven’t read Josh’s editor’s blog Read This, it directly impacts this. The contributor says that according to the Senate rules, House managers can call any witnesses without going up to SCOTUS and all the delays that entails.

However, if the Senate only gives them two weeks, is that nearly enough time to call Mulvaney, Giuliani, Pompeo, Bolton, etc., to get their testimony on top of all the info House Intelligence has brought out?

I know. The stench of asshole in that room must have been overpowering.

There is a Spanish word “gancho”, which can mean “hook”. In parts of the Spanish Caribbean, it is also used for “excuse” or “pretense”.

“Economic anxiety” was and is certainly present for many a Trump voter and sympathizer, but the enlivening factor was always “The Other”.

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WH And GOPers Mull Limiting Senate Impeachment Trial To Two Weeks


Two weeks, huh? Here’s an idea… Let’s limit the trial to the number of weeks Trey Gowdy used to investigate Hillary’s Benghazi involvement.

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Again and again, the old cliche proves all too true: elections have consequences and so does ignoring them. I don’t think we’ll see a repeat of 2016 where Did Not Vote was the clear winner but I’m not sure the country can survive if 2020 is even close: we not only have to win the presidency and hold the House, we’ve got to take back the Senate and turn more states blue.

Politics was never my favorite subject but now it’s like needing enough air to breathe. I haven’t been this engaged in decades and it isn’t just ‘anti-Trump’ either.

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If smiling now is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

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Trump resigning to help Republican senators clings to the notion that Trump cares about anyone but himself. There’s money to be made on that bet.

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They will be elbowing each other out of the way to prove nobody sucks harder…

The politics of the Constitution?

Not miserable because he is a traitorous manipulator who has been exposed is part of the nightmare.

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