“Permission to shoot” isn’t really an issue here, as all the cops know the rules on when they can use deadly force – see Ashli Babbitt, deceased. The question of why they didn’t start shooting when use of deadly force became justified – e.g., when cops were getting beaten and dragged down the steps by the mob – has been pretty definitively answered by the cops themselves. In short, they were woefully outnumbered, possibly outgunned, and justifiably expected they’d be killed if they started shooting.
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answer to my question. House S-A-A just said he spoke to no one but Sund and the Senate S-A-A after being asked for an emergency declaration.
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Making these Peter Principle exemplars testify is all but pointless. Chief Weasels.
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Napoleon was aware of the climate in Russia. What he was not aware of was that the tin buttons on his soldiers winter coats would turn to dust in the extreme cold.
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Sund said specifically that the bombs were placed there to lure law enforcement away from the Capitol before the breach.
My understanding is that the first pipe bomb was reported by a resident, who spotted it purely by happenstance about the same time as the insurrection was kicking off. Given that the bombs were apparently left there the previous night, it seems rather unlikely that the bomber’s devious plan to distract the police was to rely on pure luck.
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My scenario more aptly involved 2000 heavily armed National Guard on site and unleashing wave upon wave of automatic gunfire into the crowd breaching the Capitol. I have no doubt they’d have retreated at the sight of several hundred dead and dying comrades.
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Sund is covering up Trump’s role. The “coordinated attack” that took place before the end of the rally was turned back. The barrier line was not breached until around 1:30 PM – AFTER the mob started arriving. And the Capitol Building itself was not breached until 2:15.
In other words, the capitol police was enough to hold off the “organized” attack – it was the mob that was incited by Trump that breached the line, and broke into the capitol.
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How about helicopter gunships and Predator drones too, while you’re at it?
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Yeah, both of the guys who identify as: Black Panthers.
This reminds me of the Monty Python bit:
“What ever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?”
“He’s over there.”
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Herb Tarlick’s white pattent leather shoes need to be in the Smithsonian IMHO.
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A-10 strafing runs to either side of the Capitol would have been quite effective.
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Warthog on warthog warfare?
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Scratch a little bit and we will find that this guy is a hard core trumptard.
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What should the government’s reaction be to a very large, armed, violent mob breaching the Capitol while both houses of Congress and multiple other people are present, within a building in imminent danger of being ransacked or worse?
“Please, everyone, don’t do this. Just turn around and go home.”
Yeah, should have tried that I suppose.
To be fair, if they’d exploded that would have been one hell of a distraction too. Note that they did have timers.
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According to Wiki - note that Sund’s 1:09 PM version is included as a fact right now
- 1:09 p.m.: Chief Sund asks House Sergeant at Arms Paul D. Irving and Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael C. Stenger to declare an emergency and call for deployment of the National Guard. Irving and Stenger state that they will forward the request up their chains of command. Soon afterwards, aides to Congressional leaders arrive in Stenger’s office and are outraged to learn that he has not yet called for any reinforcement.[21]
- 1:10 p.m.: President Trump ends his speech by encouraging the crowd to march to the Capitol: “We’re going to try and give them [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”[19]
- 1:12 p.m.: Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) object to certifying the votes made in the 2020 United States presidential election in Arizona. The joint session separates into House and Senate chambers to debate the objection.[17]
- 1:26 p.m.: The U.S. Capitol Police order evacuation of at least two buildings in the Capitol complex, including the Cannon House Office Building and the Madison Building of the Library of Congress.[19][26][27]
- 1:30 p.m.:
- Capitol Police are overwhelmed and forced to retreat up the steps of the Capitol.[17]
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Who else has been doing a comprehensive investigation of this thing? The FBI? D.C. police? I know the FBI has been arresting the rioters but I wonder if anyone’s been looking at everything else yet.
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That would be a Kent State on steroids…and another American shame. No way any soldier shoots any civilian for any reason in America.
The assessment that shooting would have resulted in mass injury and death to law enforcement is countered by the fact that in the one case shooting was resorted to the mob retreated from that area. I have no doubt that a scenario like the one you describe is what would have been had these guys been Black and protesting a Black cause.
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with so much information to be gleaned, why is Leahy wasting time giving a speech?
Ask yourself…when has any such hearing ever resulted in a definitive answer and a solution? Why not give a speech. Nothing else is going to happen.
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