VA AG To Investigate Police Pepper Spraying A Black Army Medic During Traffic Stop

[arrendis]

@bloomingpeonie

“Potter instructed Officers Turner аnd Akers to exit the residence, get into sepаrаte squаd cаrs, turn off their body worn cаmerаs, аnd to not tаlk to eаch other.”

Putting them into separate squad cars and telling them not to talk to one another wouldn’t obscure accountability or serve to ‘protect themselves’, though. It’d guarantee any discrepancies in their stories don’t get smoothed out before talking to investigators. As for the body cams… that one seems pretty questionable, but without knowing what the recording length for the cam in use at the time was, I dunno. Maybe turning it off was part of the ‘saves the footage to archive so nobody can get at it’?

Ben Crump’s a good guy, and he’s sincere, but there’s a danger of getting out over his skis here, like Al Sharpton did w/Tawana Brawley.

[tacoma]

[quote=“bloomingpeonie, post:77, topic:205807”]
I believe that Gutierrez was looking for “trouble” with intent to threaten, intimidate & subjugate the driver.

He told the veteran he should be afraid sounds like intent to harm was uppermost in his mind. He followed that up with specific action he intended “you’re gonna ride white lightening tonight”

This is southern racist statement referring to electrocution!

exactly…i haven’t heard that phrase since i left TENN, it is so ‘white trash’ racist talk…unless you have lived in some of these places…you have no idea some of the people are like.

[southerndem]

Word is that that police dept. is famous for stoping out of towners for bullshit offences and issuring tickets, knowing most won’t come back to fight it in court as a source of revenue

[southerndem]

[steviedee111]

@bloomingpeonie

Yes. It is the police who have created this by no longer acting to “protect &serve” but rather intimidating & subjugating driver. Forcing them out of vehicle at gun point for TRAFFIC violation is unwarranted & totally opposite to their training!

Often we see what you describe and think what we’ve watched is unwarranted. But many times, as the cop is following the car, he’s already called in the plate and discovered the owner of the car has outstanding warrants, sometimes for serious or violent felonies, including rape, murder, armed robbery, etc. Sure, to us it appears the cop is sure as hell going overboard on his initial contact with someone that he’s observed running stop signs or driving erratically. Little do we know he’s following someone suspected of a very serious crime. Just the type of person that is desperate to avoid arrest, and possibly armed.

[dsfinley]

Here in California, private security guards are required to have 40 hours of training.

To pack heat, they have to have an additional 14 hours of training. (Not a typo).

That gives me high confidence? NOT!

[bloomingpeonie]

@txlawyer

But it does not appear to be a picture of her taser.

It is image of MN LEO standard issue taser. I have no reason to believe ANY officer in MN would have a different one.

[becca656]

Ouch: Trumpworld Reportedly Rejects Gaetz’s Request For Meeting With Ex-POTUS

Hey, folks: Police Officer Who Killed Daunte Wright Resigns, Saying It’s In ‘Best Interest’ Of Community (forbes.com)

[bloomingpeonie]

Great!
Smart.
She gets to keep her pension.

[lastroth]

@steviedee111

And if there isn’t a lit, safe place for several miles of road at what point is it reasonable the cop thinks you’re evading or not responding to their attempt to pull you over?

This would be covered if the driver calls 911 and keeps them on the phone. As it was explained to me the driver calls 911 to check that a police office is in the area, that the officer has radioed in to the station that they are attempting a stop on such and such street or section of highway. The 911 operator is the link between the cop and the driver.

[txlawyer]

There is no statewide standard. Cops are equipped with whatever their department issues them, and there are many different models for departments and their officers to choose from.

[iamsmall]

And if there isn’t a lit, safe place for several miles of road

Puleeze, every cop car and emergency vehicle I’ve ever encountered has a vary large, LOUD bull horn. 1. they don’t want to get killed when they get out of their vehicle due to oncoming traffic. 2. In Ca. at least, CHP officers are immediately fired if they attempt to engage the motorist on the drivers side (too many dead ones i hear)

Therefore every encounter I’ve had involves them telling me repeatedly when and where to pull over as they flash their lights and ride my bumper.

[sysprog]

I can see Jackie Gleason right now…

[steviedee111]

@iamsmall

Therefore every encounter I’ve had involves them telling me repeatedly when and where to pull over as they flash their lights and ride my bumper.

Many upthread contend it’s not the officer’s call as to where and when you pull over. It’s the driver’s prerogative to do as they please, it’s their judgment that dictates the situation, the tailing police officer can just cool his heels and wait.

[arrendis]

@steviedee111

Many upthread contend it’s not the officer’s call as to where and when you pull over. It’s the driver’s prerogative to do as they please, it’s their judgment that dictates the situation, the tailing police officer can just cool his heels and wait.

That’s one hell of a twisting of the idea that you don’t pull over where it’s unsafe to do so, and you should make a reasonable attempt to pull over in a well-lit place, for your own safety and that of the cop. The cop has a responsibility to public safety, and not to expect or compel you to do something unsafe.

Someone comes up behind you flashing lights on a dark road in the middle of the night, it’s probably a cop, but it might just be a guy with bubblegum who’s considering wearing your hair as a wig.

[iamsmall]

I’m white and female in an upscale car; probably why I get the ‘courtesy’ call over the bull horn.
I’m pretty sure that most LEOs with just a tiny bit of common sense can recognize a slowly driving car and the attendant head swiveling from the driver as a sign of someone looking for a pull off space.
With that said, seeing a driver looking straight ahead and not slowing down sends a whole different massage. I’m pretty sure they can tell the difference.

[godwit]

@steviedee111

Here’s a novel idea. If you’re detained by the police do WTF you’re told. Sort out the rightness or wrongness of it later.

Once again, we are comfortable demanding that random members of the public remain calm and suppress their instinctual “fight or flight” response, while the people who are trained for these situations are allowed to excuse egregious mistakes because they got scared and panicked

[godwit]

@arrendis

For a lot of years, TV and film contributed

Concurrent with the racially biased casting was a continual stream of plots wherein our hero has to break the ticky-tacky dept. rules in order to nail the bad guy who he just knows is guilty.

Rules are for chumps, your hunches are always correct, and if you suspect that black dude is up to no good you’re morally obligated to bust him first and find the evidence afterwards. What does a steady stream of that do to your subconscious?

[bloomingpeonie]

As MN resident I’ve posed your assertion to MN LEO about department tasers. Interestingly, his response was, “doesn’t matter, doesn’t change outcome”

[bloomingpeonie]

@steviedee111

he’s already called in the plate and discovered the owner of the car has outstanding warrants, sometimes for serious or violent felonies, including rape, murder, armed robbery, etc. Sure, to us it appears the cop is sure as hell going overboard on his initial contact with someone that he’s observed running stop signs or driving erratically

True. Yet, none of those variables are at play here. He was an ACTIVE military & said so. Gutierrez knew there was none of those factors. Yet he retorted “you should” in response to driver saying he was scared as he was looking at drawn gun in his face.