US Economy Adds 164,000 Jobs In July, Unemployment Stays The Same

U.S. employers added 164,000 jobs to the payroll in July and the unemployment rate remained the same at 3.7 percent, the Labor Department announced Friday.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1239920

In the fall of 2016 Trump was saying the real unemployment rate was about 40% now under his watch we should believe it’s 3.7%.

The economy is slowing and Current Occupant will only make it worse with his trade wars and tariffs and false promises concerning coal, manufacturing et. al. He’s shooting himself in the foot… not unlike the wonderful Boris Johnson who continues to push his hapless country towards the Brexit precipice.

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Incoming tweet that will (unironically) claim the economy is both soaring and blame the slowdown on Obama.

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If I’m not mistaken, we are in a stealth bear market now.
Trade war escalation with China will accelerate things downward.
If the fed lowers rates again, look out below.
S&P forward PE was at 18.04 Friday before last and it slipped tp 18.15 last Friday. If we keep going at this rate, a correction will be certain.

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Trump hasn’t moved the needle and the economy is basically like a car with the pedal to the metal but it’s not growing.

The 2020 economy will almost certainly be slower and worse than 2019 and definitely 2018. That means the competition in the Dem party will get fiercer because the chances of any nominee winning in 2020 are higher no matter who that candidate is.

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Our financial advisor has been saying that a correction is overdue.

Gotta disagree with you, my friend.

Trump wins on this issue. Hands down. The optics are all in his favor here.

I don’t know how the continued increase in new jobs is possible. I don’t know how unemployment is as low as it is.

We’ve been saying since the inauguration that the economy will kill him. I’ve personally been waiting for two years on this issue and every month the economy metrics get better and better.

As a consultant, I watch the job boards in my business as to availability. In the last week, I’ve seen four or five new gigs come across that I’m qualified for (I’m already employed through March of next year). My skillset is very niche and jobs are difficult to come by. IT budgets are a great leading indicator because if there’s no money and it’s a choice between keeping workers or hiring consultants for expensive new projects, they’re going to keep their workers - I’ve had several spates of unemployment in 23 years that are directly tied to economic downturns.

I was part of the Carrier implementation that led to the closure of the Indianapolis plant and relocation to Monterrey. I wasn’t at all surprised with that; saw it coming a mile and a half away.

If the economy continues at this pace, the Dems cannot, repeat CANNOT, run on the issue of the weak economy, This is an absolute winner for him. I’m still waiting, as you are, for the economic collapse, but it’s just not evident.

This is where the Democrats reveal themselves to be the worst political party I have ever had the misfortune to support. Every Dem should be out saying that these numbers are a disaster; that Trump and the rest of the GOP has bankrupted the country; that the TaxScam has been a total disaster that Democrats will be expected to clean up.

But no. Democrats seem to think that they’re helpless because the media is against them; that some Act of God is responsible for the enormous messaging superiority of the GOP; and (subconsciously) that Republicans are the natural party of power and that the job of Democrats is clean up the mess afterwards and let the GOP run the country asap.

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The bigger data tell us the story: Growth dropping despite massive juice in the economy. Tariffs roiling certain sectors of the economy. Data clearly show that it’s nowhere near as good as Obama’s second term. Voters’ view of the economy is often relative, and unemployment is often the lagging indicator. Much of what we see actually aligns to what virtually all of the candidates have said: economy works for the top but working class folks are one event away from financial ruin. We’re actually seeing it in the data now. Growth isn’t high b/c the money is going to the top, we have a stupid trade policy, and we need more immigrants but Trump is scaring everyone away and jailing the rest.

I’m not predicting disaster, but I’m finally convinced that the data tell us we’re in a slower economy which means you’ll see more tangible signs. First sign I saw was in retail last winter and it turns out the revised growth rate for that quarter dropped below 2%. Seeing those signs again this summer.

On the business side, I see companies at the end of last year and the first quarter of this year are prioritizing what they spend on. They’re getting tighter with money and are a bit hesitant. That’s not ā€˜recession’ mode. But that’s a ā€˜slowdown’ mentality.

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Until people are thrown out on the street (and that’s not the ā€˜other’ ones, it’s the minions themselves) and can’t get their beer and their baseball, I honestly don’t think they care. Who was it that said the economy has to be a kitchen table issue?

I understand what you’re saying, but I just don’t think the average American is paying attention to this. As long as Trump can distract with ā€˜send them back’ and ā€˜lock her up’ and that’s what the media pay attention to, he’s in the catbird seat.

And then when the merde really hits the fan for the next Dem president, the media will blame the Dem and not the previous admin. The ā€˜thanks, Obama’ mantra revisited.

ETA: And now, this:

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Thread. Trumponomics isn’t going to give the economy a long term boost.

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You write this as if this is the first time you’ve noticed.

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All he’s looking for is the short ā€œsugar rushā€ of an interest rate cut, just long enough to get him and us into the campaign

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Because the GOP has stopped sabotaging the economy with austerity measures and has gone full bore with the type of Keynesian stimulus measures that Krugman has been calling for since the Great Recession started.

It took us 10 years of unnecessary suffering to get there, but I’m glad that Krugman has been fully proven right.

We just need to make sure to endlessly hammer this point when the GOP starts deficit/debt peacocking again under the next Dem President.

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New jobs are being created because employers are getting rid of FT jobs, and replacing them with 2X as many PT jobs. PT jobs require no benefits, pay lower wages, and are not subject to arbitration.

Unemployment is low because nearly everyone needs at least one job to keep their heads above water. Wages are stagnant, but expenses keep growing. Many people are working one FT job + a PT job, or multiple PT jobs in order to pay the bills.

I don’t claim the is universally true everywhere, but i have seen an awful lot of this going on.

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There’s another factor here that i think Yang is doing a good job in highlighting: the disconnect between available jobs and available workers. The skillsets simply don’t match the work that needs to be done.

A good friend of mine was laid off ten years ago - she worked for a steelmill and was a forklift driver. Her unemployment benefits re-trained her in computers. She retired a few months ago, having had a decent job that wasn’t anywhere near what she’d done from fresh out of high school.

There aren’t a whole lot of programs like that (yes, she was union).

It’s not that people are lazy and won’t find jobs - the work they’re capable of doing isn’t available and employers want hands-on experience before they’ll look at a candidate.

No one is highlighting this. But it’s out there - Yang is starting the discussion.

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Does rising employment in the gig economy, Uber, food delivery services and others count as employment. Because it’s a growth field. Doesn’t mean it’s secure employment. Do day laborers who wait on street corners for building and landscape contractors to pick them for a few days of work count for employment. trumPP has no bragging rights about growth in employment as long as unemployment figures stay as high as they are. No matter. Whatever he might say he won’t fully understand so it’ll be more gibberish.

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ā€œImplementationā€ is a little vague. Can you elaborate.