Huh. Hadn’t heard that, doesn’t mean at all that they wouldn’t try. Have no idea how they’d actually accomplish it, though, seems some judges would have a say-so about any deal and its validity.
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Counterpoint: Nearly every country has pre-existing laws in place to pardon or commute the sentences of all kinds of criminals. War criminals are not exempted from the pardon power under the laws of any nation, nor do the Geneva Conventions prohibit their member states from pardoning persons convicted of war crimes. Trump’s pardons of all these war criminals are a goddamned disgrace, but they are not violations of any law.
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Rumsfield supposedly left Paris in a big hurry after he was no longer SOD because of concerns about being charged with war crimes. I wonder if any of the principals in the Bush Jr administration have traveled to Europe since the end of his administration. I would like to see Stephen Miller, among others, get put up on charges of crimes against humanity.
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There was a day when the US justice system was the blue chip standard and frequently used as precedent on international cases.
That is no longer true today. The US justice system has lost its way. Today, we see systems such as Canada being used in International cases.
I sure hope one day we as a nation can find our way to a better place with a more fair justice system, economic system, and social system. We have a lot work to do on reforming our “system” and “systems” if we want to restore our Democracy. If not, then I am in the wrong country for what I want in a society. It’s hard to vote for any Republicans and even challenging for many Democrats…they don’t seem to see the systemic problems that I see.
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You only think you’re joking…
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Whether this violates anything at all, Trump is counting on his Protectors (Barr, McConnell, FOX, corrupt lawyers, appeals processes, presumption of Innocence, Executive Privilege, etc etc etc) to get him Off the Hook.
After all, shooting someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue is close to this…
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POTUS Biden should consider extradition of these Blackwater bastards to Iraq to face trial there. There is nothing in Trump’s Pardon that would prevent a POTUS to honor an extradition request from Iraq, since the crimes Trump Pardoned are US Federal crimes only and do not impact defendants liability under Iraqi or International Law.
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If only America belonged to the ICC. Because of its concern that it might one day have to surrender a citizen, particularly a member of its government or armed forces your governments, both partys, have never joined. Rump even condemned it. I wonder why.
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The pair said the action “tells the world that Americans abroad can commit the most heinous crimes with impunity.”
Thanks for the bull’s eye guys
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This gives Biden justification to extradite their asses to Baghdad. Let 'em swing. They’ll wish at the last they were back in a nice, safe U.S. supermax.
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“Nicholas Slatten was convicted of first-degree murder, while Paul Slough, Evan Liberty and Dustin Heard were convicted of voluntary and attempted manslaughter.”
Settle down now.
It’s not like they served on the board of directors for a Ukrainian gas company.
Because that would’ve been a heinous crime!
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It must be pointed out that stories like this one will be so common as to partially blot out the latest Trumper utterances (voters), paid slave bloviators (Navarro, Giuliani), GOP Senator Trump slavering henchmen (Graham, Rubio, Hawley), etc…
Blot out to Become the Main Event on any given day(s), after 20 January 2021.
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Can Iraq seek extradition since they are no longer being punished in the US? And can we hand them over? The pardon doesn’t save them from an extradition request.
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In a nutshell:
President Trump addressed the UN General Assembly stating that the “United States will provide no support or recognition to the International Criminal Court . As far as America is concerned the ICC has no jurisdiction, no legitimacy, and no authority.
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The pair said the action “tells the world that Americans abroad can commit the most heinous crimes with impunity.”
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The US Constitution would supersede that. Plus they were charged with murder, so they were in fact held accountable. It does not specify the extent of the accountability.
However, if an international court, or an Iraqi court, wanted to try them, I am wondering if we could just turn them over to them. I’m no expert on that, but it’s something I’d like to see explored.
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Trump should have added “for the next 20 days anyway”
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I’m steeling myself for when Biden’s AG pick says challenging the legality of umpteen illegitimate pardons won’t be challenged “in the interest of political stability,” essentially a repeat of the “look forward, not back” approach taken by Obama (which, BTW, made me lose my respect for both Obama and Eric “Place” Holder), more (and even more egregious) crimes will continue to be committed with impunity.
Fuck that! The major reason this country in such a screwed up place politically is that wanton, brazen criminals in the upper echelons of our government are NEVER, EVER held responsible. If these abuses of power are again ignored, we’ll just get more of the same — again.
To quote one of my favorite part-time sages and soothsayers, "FUCK THAT!"
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As I recall, Prince was in the Seychalles in early 2017 to meet a Russian operative to establish back channels between Trump and the Kremlin. If he wasn’t eligible for arrest then, I don’t see how he could be now. Has something else about his life of crime and grift come up more recently?
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According to this, that can be done.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1934v02/d669
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