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C’mon, this is Florida…what else could anyone expect?
First of all GW Bush did not win Florida by 537 votes. The vote counting was halted while Bush was up 537 but by any model you use had the votes all been counted he would have lost.
Florida is a fake red state. There are more Democrats here than Republicans. But look what went down in 2000 and ask yourself…is there any accountability? Is there any reason to fear out right election fraud? No. I’m sure DeSantis did not win in 2018. I know damn well Scott did not. I know folks will go the “floriduh” route but it’s happening everywhere.
Here’s how the game works. Just go for it and let the shit settle over time. Barr did that 2 days ago. He just went for it and let the shit fly. But in time it will settle and the job will be done. SCOTUS did that in 2000 and they did it with CU and the Voting Rights Act. A huge shit storm followed each but now it’s settled and we have unlimited dark money in politics and no protection for minorities in the franchise. And a war in Iraq that would not have happened had democracy won. It wasn’t supposed to be this way. But them’s the rules now. Just go for and weather out the shit storm.
Don’t you guys get tired of that crap?
I’m cautiously optimistic that this case will be decided in favor of the plaintiff(s), but we’ll see. Also, fuck the GOP. #dumptrump
Yeah…it’s not just Florida. Wisconsin,Ohio,NC and Georgia come to mind.
It’s everywhere.
Agreed. This case has ramifications beyond Florida. As with the Plessy decision that nullified the 14th Amendment the Con’s will have a legal method to nullify the 24th.
If it ends up in the hands of the Supreme’s and the the five Con’s (Johnny the Robber Barron, Strip Search Sam, Uncle Clarence Thomas, the Seat Stealer and the Drunk) rule (as likely) that the requirement to pay fine’s are not a poll tax (bravo sierra) then game over.
Voter suppression and disenfranchisement will be allowed to continue for decades.
It started with Crawford v Marion County where Scalia, Thomas and Alito said whether the Indiana voter-identification law might have imposed a special burden on some voters is irrelevant. The law should be upheld because its overall burden is minimal and justified. In a footnote to their concurring opinion Scalia wrote “we have never held that legislatures must calibrate all election laws, even those totally unrelated to money, for their impacts on poor voters or must otherwise accommodate wealth disparities” and went so far as to imply that a poll tax would not be unconstitutional. The Court has not gotten more liberal or supportive of voting rights since Scalia’s death.
Shrub won Florida by a count of 5 to 4.
So if the plaintiffs lose, will Steyer, Yang, and Bloomberg pony up the bucks to pay these fines and fees, or were their mouths only where their money was?
Amen. I fully expect to see dozens, maybe hundreds of questionable disenfranchising moves and bills fly into place in Republican controlled states a few months before November, only to all be withdrawn or overturned once the election is over and the illegitimate results have all been put into place. The Republicans have figured out this is how you do it - you win the election by illegal means and get to keep the results when the slow moving court system slaps your hand months later.
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