The Perplexing Geography of Abortion Opinion

In November, Ohioans gave Republican legislators a shellacking on abortion rights, enshrining the right to the procedure (as well as rights to contraception, in-vitro fertilization and miscarriage care) in the state’s constitution. Though Ohio voters consistently elect Republicans in statewide races, the referendum passed by a margin of 14 percentage points. The vote — together with similar results in Kansas and Kentucky — has rightly been seen as a warning that Republicans in state legislatures, Congress and on the Supreme Court bench are radically out of step with the citizenry on this issue, even in reliably red states.

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Abortion bans are highly unpopular but right wingers support them because they know their voters will pick them anyway. It’s that simple.

The only way to kill off the bans are for Republicans to lose in deep red states, and that’s not happening.


I agree. I have a family member who always votes Republican even though they are pro abortion rights. They even have a daughter who is an OB-GYN and provides abortion care services! I don’t get it.



But in Kansas, 8 out of 10 Midlanders live in metropolitan areas, and in Kansas City, Wichita and Topeka (unlike Toledo and Youngstown in Ohio), pro-life mainline Protestants outnumber both Catholics and white Evangelicals.

pro-life mainline Protestants makes no sense here and should almost certainly be pro-choice mainline Protestants


It’s frustrating to me when pundits go on about abortion as an issue for voters but never look at what that means at the ballot box. Greg Abbott got re-elected after SB8. The question needs to really be asked as, “Do you care enough about abortion access that it will dictate your vote?”


So, even in the “New France” area (New Orleans) per the map below, with abortion opposition at around 30%, this shows tyranny by the minority. As we all know here, abortion rights are supported by a majority of voters.


"I don’t get it. "

Humans are not rational. They are rationalizing.
Big brains are advantageous up until they are capable of deceiving themselves.
Both Covid and AGW have more than adequately demonstrated this.


Shades of Fischer’s Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America, how early Colonial immigration patterns shaped and persisted into modern sociopolitical culture.

The four migrations are discussed in the four main chapters of the book:

  • East Anglia to Massachusetts -- The Exodus of the English Puritans (Pilgrims and Puritans influenced the Northeastern United States' corporate and educational culture)
  • The South of England to Virginia -- The Cavaliers and Indentured Servants (Gentry influenced the Southern United States' plantation culture)
  • North Midlands to the Delaware Valley -- The Friends' Migration (Quakers influenced the Middle Atlantic and Midwestern United States' industrial culture)
  • Borderlands to the Backcountry -- The Flight from North Britain (Scotch-Irish and border English influenced the Western United States' ranch culture and the Southern United States' common agrarian culture)

Fischer includes satellite peoples such as Welsh, Scots, Irish, Dutch, French, Germans, Italians and a treatise on enslaved Africans in South Carolina. Fischer covers voting patterns and dialects of speech in four regions that span from their Atlantic colonial base to the Pacific.


Maybe more like this:


I’m beginning to wonder if the steady diet of misleading and false information that is provided to the masses as gospel is beginning to alter the chemical composition of brains and the function of its electrical and neurological circuits. I mean, at this point it is common knowledge that the brains of some people just don’t work right, and that knowledge is simply based on a small sampling of members of Congress.


While this gives some good analysis for how migration patterns can probably predict a person’s view on abortion, I think the bigger picture is Roe v Wade was settled law. No one forced a woman to get an abortion, while Roe allowed women to have a choice. (yes it really is that simple)
So I think some of what we’re seeing is a reaction to a loss of an option, it’s not necessarily a moral or ethical question-except for the Evangelicals. In 1973 I was just turning into an official teenager, and all that comes with that. I wonder if the bigger picture is how many of us were teenagers or adults before Roe, and are still here? There are now what 3 generation that have never known what it’s like not to have a legal option? While I was growing up I still remember a few stories of women who had miscarriages and needed medical intervention. And at the same time more women were entering the workforce, or it maybe more correct to say more women were entering the male workforce domain.
After Roe was law and “The Pill” was legal the number of children in a family decreased.


Citizen in good standing here of the People’s Desiccated Autonomous Collective of El Norte. Eighteen sixty-four never looked so anhydrous.


This article suggests that Fox consumers are not politically illiterate but are durably lacking in interest and information about science and society as a whole.

…decreased knowledge of science and society.


Based on observations of my in-laws, i can easily and readily confirm. They know all they need to know, and anything that challenges the validity of what they know is evil, and must be rejected as liberal treachery.


I am going to go ahead and extend that to the vast majority of Americans including many elected to higher office. We may not be politically illiterate, but most of us have no idea how our government actually works. I submit as proof that the majority of people I have talked to in AZ blame our high gas prices on Biden.


warning that Republicans in state legislatures, Congress and on the Supreme Court bench are radically out of step with the citizenry on this issue, even in reliably red states.

Not just on pregnancy.

How about trickle-down economics – aka tax cuts for the wealthy. Or defense against Russia. Or pollution. Or that camel and needle thing in the Bible.


…and common sense gun safety regulations.


Which is a subset of knowledge about how the world itself works, in your example, the global political economy of petroleum extraction and distribution.


From the article…

“The vote — together with similar results in Kansas and Kentucky — has rightly been seen as a warning that Republicans in state legislatures, Congress and on the Supreme Court bench are radically out of step with the citizenry on this issue, even in reliably red states.”
… … … … …
PffftttI say…
GOPer legislators are gonna do whatever they want once elected. Screw those who voted for them? Easily done.


This is the “our side vs their side” effect. It’s why Cubs fans support the Cubs win or lose. To abandon the home team is to abandon one’s social group. It’s the fear of rejection. Republican oligarchs have always used this to gain position. People will vote against their interests if the other choice is to be abandoned by one’s perceived peer group. We saw TDIFFG come up hard against this with the Libertarians the other day. He couldn’t bring in enough shills to counter the home court advantage, then spun it differently in the echo chamber as a “them” caused conspiracy. Rabid fanaticism is rabid fanaticism and it plays well in the media.