And furthermore, despite how beloved he may have been, and how he was lionized by the Washington Press Corps after he was killed in Iraq while embedded, Michael Kelly was a self-righteous, sloppy reporter who sought the limelight and lashed out at odd times (his WaPo op-ed excoriating Al Gore for denouncing the Bush-and-national-newsmedia-cheerleading build-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, in which he unironically told Gore he had reached a new low, was disgraceful then and is laughable now). He was also the editor of TNR overseeing Stephen Glass. His St. Hillary piece was unredeemable. If he were still around, I suspect he would be mightily discredited.
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Incubus was a '65 movie with William Shatner…and the entire thing is spoken in Esperanto!!
I actually watched it at a funky little theater in Panama City. 
Have you ever tried to work a complex project through a bunch of different organizations?
Didn’t think so.
Her set up was an end run around how things are done in Washington - she made no attempt to get buy in from the folks that would have to get the legislation through Congress. She presented them with a Take it or Leave it package and it died in committee.
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On the other hand, without Hillary, Bill would never have won in '92; Bill is too much of a f*ck-up to have won without her.
It’s a tribute to her toughness and intellect that in spite of the decades of vilification America chose her.
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25 years of this bullshit and the voters ate it like shit on a hook.
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NO.
Just no.
As a HRC voter in 2016 I have to say that now is not the time for her to be in the news in any fashion.
GOP/FOX had 20 years of strawman bashing which chipped away at her perception amongst Americans.
Her emerging now will be tied around Biden’s neck and Trump will be Toiliet-Tweeting “Crooked Hillary” every single day.
It’s not right or fair to someone who has served the US so well…but Hillary and all things related need to STFU until December.
Discipline will get Trump out. Not wishful thinking.
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I remember feeling an unChristian joy when I heard the news that Kelly had been killed in an accident while “in-bedding” with US troops. Good riddance.
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That is very true - I have always considered her the smarter of the two.
They sure as hell never asked former b-movie actress, astrology afficianto and (alleged) blowjob expert Nancy Reagan to bake cookies!
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I’m not sure Hillary is smarter, but she sure is more disciplined, and that made the difference in ‘92. I’ve respected how she learns from her mistakes. Bill may be the single most gifted American political figure post-FDR; he’s certainly up there. Po’ boy from Arkansas to Rhodes Scholar, Georgetown, Yale, etc. But he’s kind of f*cked up. So he is also the most underachieving political figure as well. (Gary Wills in ‘99 had some good pieces, around “He coulda been a contenda” and “what a waste!”) I don’t think Obama has the sheer talent the Bill has (OTOH they are both in the freakin’ Stratosphere), but Obama far better used his talent and really is our best president since Truman.
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Hey, I respect both of those skills.
This. Your mother and my mother would have totally dug each other.
I gotta disagree about Sec Clinton learning from past mistakes. I don’t think she learned anything from the health care crash and burn. She repeated the secrecy mania in her campaign. I have always felt that her campaign gave a good insight to how she would govern, and her campaign was a train wreck.
She knew she had very high unfavorables and she didn’t have a plan to counteract that. (If she did have a plan, I never saw it.).
Harsh. But I feel ya.
“Women are too meek to run things”
“But I’m speaking up with my ideas.”
“Women are too pushy to run things.”
“How about if we work together to take the strengths of each team member?”
“Women are too wishy washy and can’t command.”
“The report is due tomorrow.”
“b______”
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But I’ve been told many times that she lost because she didn’t visit two states.
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I think they are both terrifically smart. She just doesn’t chase men around the desk.
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It was not visiting Wisconsin what done her in.
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We’re going to be dissecting how she lost, or is it how she didn’t win? for years. We do it right now and we’ll still never fully understand how it happened. But we can be sure there were nefarious forces at work, and I’ll never accept she was her own worst enemy as a campaigner.
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I hate using the cliche “at the end of the day” but for purposes of this discussion I will. Reporting is objective, you, the reader, have your take on it. You take away untrustworthy, that’s on you. As to “untrustworthy”, I found this from a long time NYT reporter. When the reader buys into an opinion of “untrustworthy”, of course she was doomed. So instead we as a country chose the most untrustworthy, dishonest, most ignorant, treacherous candidate and we pay the price for buying into isolated reports.
Nick Kristof from NYT ends an op piece with
She’s not a saint but a politician, and to me this notion that she’s fundamentally dishonest is a bogus narrative.
The fact remains, at the end of the day, HRC won 3 million more popular votes than djt. In another country she would have been declared the winner and the American president.
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