The MAGA Right Has Come Back To Bite Conservative Hawks | Talking Points Memo

The Republican Party can’t figure out what to do on Ukraine.

A yawning split has emerged. One one side is the MAGA right, skeptical of any U.S. support for Ukraine. On the other are Republicans animated by ideas that linger from the pre-Trump GOP, including a blind commitment to American intervention overseas, regardless of the cost.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1402954

Y’know what this really tells us? Which adversarial superpower owns which GOP/MAGAt:

Flynn? Turkey
Kushner? Saudi
McConnell? uh–Chiner?
Tucker? Russia
TFG? Russia, Saudi

I’m just spitballin’ here, but the core realization is: every one of those assholes is in the pay–or in the kompromat pocket of–hostile foreign nation states.

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Magats are wholly owned subsidiaries of Vladimir Putin? Give me a moment to catch my breath.

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“A yawning split has emerged. One one side is the MAGA right, skeptical of any U.S. support for Ukraine.”

You misspelled “willing Kremlin stooges, slavishly licking Putin’s boots.”

(Jeez, turn on autocorrect or something.)

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“We don’t rule out first-use nuclear action,” he added.

What a dimwitted, clueless fucking asshole. IMO this should get him removed from office yesterday.

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White Supremacy looks at Russ-I-Ya as a model state and a guarantor.

They even look at Israel that way, or at least after tying themselves into several kinks, because, y’know, (((GLOBALISTS))).

So of course, the energy with the MAGAt base is not gonna pay any more floor space to the spawn of Nixon, Goldwater, Cheney, and the m—f---ing PNAC because to them, the only American interests are ethnostate interests. I hope that ol’ Georgie W. has had countless sleepless nights realizing how he enabled his party to get f—ed into the dirt to the point where American foreign misadventures are perhaps forever tainted even among his own former knuckle-dragging admirers.

But another interesting wrinkle is they just can’t seem to get up the stones to cut that sweet, sweet military TOTALLY NOT SOCIALIST!!! megabudget and outflank the Demonrats. No sir. We might need to have a civil or North American war after all! And we want our bases and factory jobs, so we’ll look the other way.

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That prompted denunciation from none other than MAGA celebrity Michael Flynn. “First-use nuclear action rhetoric is not only extremely dangerous, but these types of nonsensical remarks also threaten the stability of the entire world,” the retired general and Big Lie booster observed.

Flynn is not wrong about this.

Jeebus, did I just write that?

I mean, what to do about Ukraine is very hard, and there aren’t any good options. But blithely tossing off the possibility of nuclear first strike is grossly fncking irresponsible.

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Timely (and inevitable) story. Logic means nothing to Trump, but it still does to the minions…it just matters what stash of cash they are motivated by.

@dr_coyote

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“I would not rule out American troops on the ground,” mused Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS), a member of the armed service committee, in a December Fox interview.

We don’t rule out first-use nuclear action,” he added.

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tfw my thoughts and Mike Flynn’s are the same about nukes.

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Huh?

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I rather keep him there.

At ‘best’, Mississippians elect a Hyde-Smith clone.

At worse, they elect an amalgam of Vance and Mandel.

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“Unless, of course, President Trump says it,” Flynn added.

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Sometimes I think that the “MAGA Right” actually doesn’t belong on the political spectrum at all. It is for states’ rights except when it is against states’ rights, it loves hard-liners but at the same time embraces isolationism, it promotes “freedom” from vaccines as it censors books at schools. To locate MAGA, you really have to look at the one side of the spectrum from white supremacy to racial equality – politically neither left nor right, just furious at those uppity brown people. It is hip and non-binary in that way.

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It’s stream of consciousness. The poster might be a modern beatnik. They need bongos.

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Remember when Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger joined the J6 committee, and there were a few supportive squeaks from other R pols? It was a sign of the split in the Republican party. Except it wasn’t, and obviously so. But finally,

A yawning split has emerged[!]. On one side is the MAGA right, skeptical of any U.S. support for Ukraine. On the other are Republicans animated by ideas that linger from the pre-Trump GOP, including a blind commitment to American intervention overseas, regardless of the cost.

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There were lots of reports that foreign money (Russian) was funneled into the 2016 republican campaigns. I recall a group of republican congressmen taking a junket to mother Russia. And not a single one of those M’Fers said a word when trump sucked Putin’s dick on the world stage. Today’s republican party is in debt to Putin and it shows. It also shows the power of propaganda that MAGATs would rather be Russian than Democrats.

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They are after themselves as well…
I read this earlier today.

Excerpt:

COVID, for example, is the defining feature of the campaign to oust Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine. An establishment Republican with a long record in politics, the party’s base started loathing DeWine for being a rare red-state executive who embraced mask mandates and other public health measures. His chief rival is former Rep. Jim Renacci, a MAGA stalwart who is openly angling for the ex-president’s backing.

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He’s an equal-opportunity sell-out. He’ll take anyone’s and everyone’s money (particularly if they’ll let him slap his name on the side of something). Letting him touch strange, glowing spheres doesn’t hurt either.

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To summarize a number of this strand’s comments - “follow the money.” I think that Woodward and Bernstein were on to something.

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