The coming first wave of vaccinations will offer protection to limited groups of people.
But, importantly, that doesn’t mean the virus itself will stop spreading anytime soon.
Given that the vaccines coming online require two doses something like 28 days apart to be effective, it seems pretty unlikely to me that health authorities will be able to effectively immunize targeted communities where the numbers are currently rising (and, really, where are they not?).
Oh, come on! How are we supposed to reach the Soros goal of controlling 300+ million people by end of next year? 
the first waves of vaccine will not reduce the burden of massive community spread in the United States
Well, yes, but if your physician says you should be vaccinated, you should do it.
While the rest of us will eventually gain herd immunity by taking the vaccine,
the deplorebels will continue to thin their herd by dying from a hoax.
I want to know what the relationship between an infected person and the vaccine is, iff there is any. Will a COVID infected person benefit from getting the vaccine?
Vaccinations should “target several hot zones with high numbers of Covid-19 cases, especially those zones with rising Covid-19 hospitalization rates,” the authors wrote.
Great, so the assholes who’ve been ignoring pandemic preventive practices and thus creating hotspots, should be prioritized.
(yes, I know there are also unwilling victim groups such as nursing home residents&workers, and meat-packing plant personnel)
Even if we were able to administer 10 million vaccinations/month (which is more than I would expect for the first few months at least) it would take 2 1/2 years to vaccinate everyone in the U.S. I’m not sure how quickly the vaccines will be produced initially, but it will probably be a long time before they put a dent in this pandemic.
I know what you mean.
Nevertheless, you may look high and low but you will not find a better example of “the tragedy of the commons.”
In Alameda county, the December doses are going to nursing homes and paramedics. Those two populations are not ones most people encounter on a daily basis, though sicker populations do.
It will be a long time until this is in the rearview mirror, and as an entire population, we probably won’t see the start of a real abatement until the weather warms up in March.
I don’t see this at all. You get partial claimed immunity after one dose, the full claimed immunity after two. The vaccine’s ultimate purpose is to wipe out the virus by reducing its reprodution rate to an unsustainable number. Vaccinating first those most likely to get infected seems the most effective means of achieving that goal. It is not enough, by itself, but is the best early action with limited doses available.
Seems unlikely, or we would have heard of it being used on one president and five senators.
Rather, they’ll do what they’re designed to do: drastically reduce the number of people who get seriously ill or die of COVID-19.
Thus leading more Q-adjacent conservatives to claim it’s no big deal and not get vaccinated, thus further prolonging our collective agony.
Shoveling snow during a blizzard with a teaspoon.
(Do, everyone, get vaccinated.)
Not relevant to covid-19, but I’ve read argument that the so called “tragedy of the commons” was a backward looking rationale for hedgerowing off lands that were previously accessible to the unwashed masses.
Well if they got from community spread then it follows that they must also spread it. A worker spreads it to them, they likely will also spread it to another worker who will spread it to the community.
Also indications are that the vaccine will prevent serious cases of covid. Moderna says it’s vaccine is 100 % effective preventing serious cases.
IF the rest of us are vaccinated and therefore protected, I don’t see how the suffering will be collective at that point. It will be specific to those who don’t get vaccinated, I would assume.
That’s the conundrum here. It’s possible that you’d do more good by vaccinating the irresponsible who spread the disease than by vaccinating the vulnerable. The choice is between vaccinating the fraternity brother who’s out drinking with his pals every night and getting close to as many girls as possible or the grandmother who’s locked insider her house getting groceries by touchless delivery and avoiding her family.
Having said that, I imagine a huge net being thrown over the Amimal House and medical personnel going in at 4 am on Sunday morning to vaccinate all the bros while they’re sleeping off the kegger. I just hope they do it with big veterinary syringes.
Great, so the assholes who’ve been ignoring pandemic preventive practices and thus creating hotspots, should be prioritized.
My thoughts exactly. You see these assholes on TV from the Dakotas bragging about their ‘lifestyles’ .
Well I think it was last week where North and South Dakota were the epicenter of the virus worldwide. I probably got that wrong but I would believe it. But how is that possible considering our standard of living - compared to the rest of the world? The inmates are definitely still running the asylum.
I’m just thinking also of continued economic troubles, businesses closing, overworked healthcare workers, and diversion of medical resources away from non-COVID problems.