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Georgians…Better luck on choosing the best governor in the future!

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Bravo! Speak truth and never stop.

NO MERCY. NO QUARTER.

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Where’s today’s live blog? He just waddled to the podium!!

ETA: Found it!

ETA again: it’s BYOB Friday.

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I’m at the point of just looking at the threads it generates for all the good sleuthing the community does for interesting tweets etc. Bit of a conundrum tho…as they say when it comes to an irish temper…when I’m raging and yelling, that’s when you know you’re safe. When I’ve gone quiet…

But gotta keep sane while locked indoors somehow haha, so a little distance has helped.

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In an attempt to find a silver – or at least not absolutely pitch black – lining to the incompetent federal response to Covid-19, I have found myself hoping that it will cause a public backlash against the anti-science Republican party which will allow the kind of science-based response to the looming catastrophe of global warming. I am heartened by Stacey Abrahms’s call to action linking these two political challenges.

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Our love of eating animal meat has caused all of the most recent pandemics, including Ebola, SARS, MERS and Corvid 19. Not preaching, just sayin’.

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Memo: It’s not global warming because some places are not warming or tend to have colder temperatures due to a variety of factors. I can speak for no warming in the state of Minnesota. But that doesn’t mean it’s not warming in other places around the world. It’s climate change, not global warming.

Preach! Eating meat is also a huge contributor to climate change. Seems to just be a bad idea, if you don’t like catastrophes.

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I most certainly don’t! :slight_smile:

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The real lesson for Climate Change from Covid19 is that no matter how bad it may be, or how many experts warn us and give us advice. A small minority of loud of conservatives will be able to stop whatever measures we need to take and protect entrenched interest and profits by screaming that the ‘cure is worse than the warming’ and getting the media to eagerly focus entirely on them.

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Georgians hardly elected a man who was Secretary of State that refused to step down from that position while running for Gov. Mix that with voter suppression et al, I wouldn’t exactly say this guy was “chosen”. Much more like Georgia was deprived of Stacey Abrams because of this asshole.

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I suspect this is mostly semantics, and I’m aware there’s debate about which is term is preferred for political effectiveness. But I respectfully disagree with your “It’s not global warming …” For those who want to get into the weeds see this article at nasa, the url of which is literally “global-warming-vs-climate-change.”

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Republicans will fight to the bitter end to pretend there are not problems in the world. They approach each crisis like no one could ever have seen it coming. But they prepare to capitalize financially over every single one. They ALWAYS know what is coming and plan on Democrats picking up the pieces for them… after they have picked through the rubble for every possible cent they can profit off of it.

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This is a category error that is easy to keep straight if you remember that climate change is effect, global warming is cause.

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She was very nice about it all too. :grinning:

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Go jam out on some older U2 tunes and sing along. It’s a work out for that pent up rage.

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Actually, “climate change” is the poll tested term that Republicans came up with to undercut the science of what is happening…that’s where “the climate has always changed” came from.

The reality is that the Earth’s energy balance is warming, and at a rate note seen in a very long time; understanding that the change in energy means you get larger extremes, and even some places that are cooler, is sometimes difficult to get across, but it is how the Earth works. Yes, the colder winters, where the polar vortex drives cold air from the North Pole down into the US, are in fact due to global warming, as the warming changes the weather patterns, as well as the ice content in the Arctic. It’s all about how the patterns change as the Earth heats…kill the Gulf Stream to Europe and Europe gets colder, but killing it will be due to the melting ice from Greenland changing the salinity of the ocean. And on and on…

Say global warming with pride, it is the proper description of what is happening to the Earth.

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Georgia is going to get something few people ever do, a clear demonstration of the consequences of their choice to elect Kemp. Yes, he cheated to win (though we’ll never be able to prove it since he controlled the evidence), but it still remains the state elected him. Maybe, just maybe, Georgians will learn the lesson and force a change in their state.

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It’s still global warming. Scientists add up the temperatures around the world and averaging the temperatures makes it clear that temperatures for each season are rising. The other issue is that global warming is picking up speed and the consequences are getting worse. Australia, for example, suffered in the past year through 240 straight days of fires. Other places, such as California, are suffering through additional impacts, including an increase in fires. The Arctic and Antarctica are both experiencing increasing loss of ice due to warming. There is also the issue that carbon dioxide shows up more in some areas than others simply because of where cars, industries, and other factors are located. (But nevertheless, yes, climate change is also occurring at the same time).

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