Short: Trump Had ‘Snake Oil Salesmen’ Giving ‘Bad Advice’

Marc Short, who served as former Vice President Mike Pence’s chief of staff, on Sunday offered some insight into the ex-VP’s decision to push back at former President Trump’s baseless assertion that Pence had the authority to overturn the 2020 election results.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1404069

Short then reiterated that Pence never believed that he had the authority to overturn the results during his term as president of the Senate.

Conversation with Dan Quayle ring a bell, Short?

BTW,

Pence’s team, including his chief of staff, Marc Short, have been cooperating with the January 6 committee, and the committee will get a pile of records from Pence on March 3 unless a court stops Archivist of the United States David Ferriero from delivering them. It is likely Pence knows there is plenty that will come into the open to make siding with the Trump folks politically problematic. But there is more to his statement than that. While Pence stopped short of saying Biden won the election fairly, his rejection of the plot to overturn Biden’s victory and destroy our democracy suggests he is courting the old business wing of the party.

Pence has been closely allied with the billionaire libertarian Koch family throughout his political career and likely hopes to be a 2024 presidential candidate with their backing. Short, too, is allied with Koch family interests, and according to Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), foundations and trusts associated with the Kochs are among the deep-pocketed funders of the Federalist Society, where Pence made his statement. The oligarchical wing of the party is, perhaps, making a bid to regain control over the party in the hopes that the insurrectionists will crash and burn.

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Some of the rats are jumping ship.

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Dump and Pants are alike in one way: They are all about themselves attaining power. Pants’ recent rebuttal is his way of positioning himself for a presidential run in 2024. It’s gonna be tough to thread the needle of not insulting Dump but saying Dump is wrong. Good luck with that Pants. I hope neither of them ever get close to the Oval Office again.

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“Short said he was unsure whether Trump’s ambitions to overturn the election results could be chalked up to bad advisers themselves or the former president going out of his way to seek bad advice.”

“Unsure.” Given the source, and the fact that he has already testified before the 1/6 committee, that sounds pretty damning. One hopes, and suspects, that Trump and his inner circle of thugs and malefactors are feeling more uncomfortable than when they woke up this morning.

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I think, unfortunately, the President had many bad advisers who were basically snake-oil salesmen, giving him really random and novel ideas as to what the vice president could do,” Short said.

What’s the world coming to when you hire snake oil salesmen - solely for their ability to produce prodigious amounts of snake oil -then they give you snake oil? I mean…who could have predicted?

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The S.S. (stands for S–t Show) Trump sank in November 2020. Yet millions of its former passengers still swim in an ocean of willful ignorance, racism, misogyny, and Trump cult worship. Despite the life raft of Truth being offered to them, they persist in their fantasies. They are irredeemably damaged and dangerous to our democracy. And the Rethuglicans in power continue to egg them on.

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“there was not enough significant fraud”

Not enough he says, implying there was some.

Weasel words.

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“I think, unfortunately, the President had many bad advisers who were basically snake-oil salesmen, giving him really random and novel ideas as to what the vice president could do,” Short said. “But our office, you know, researched then recognized that was never an option.”
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The original snake oil salesman who hires “only the best” cuz "Only I can fix it. he said

The guy’s barely qualified to sell broken down junker used cars and he bamboozled the rubes into electing him and effectively killing the GOP as a viable political party.

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This is my assumption. Pence and Short have been pre-approved by that wing and are conducting themselves accordingly.

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Fascists in disarray!

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Yes, but what about the Fly?!!!

Those two? Good god.

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Pants is pretty white for a fly guy.

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I’d vote for the Fly instead and would be happy to do so.

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“… or the former president going out of his way to seek bad advice.”
His advisors were just telling him what he wanted to hear and since they had been doing it for 4 years it was engrained at this point.

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Isn’t it odd that we spend more to keep one person aware of factual information than any other nation on earth, by an order of magnitude, and Trump still managed to get essentially all of his information from people and sources (looking at you, Fox News) that wouldn’t know truth if it bit them, and specialized in telling him what he wanted to hear, regardless of its distance from the truth?

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It was a short interview that was short on specifics, short on facts, and short on full transparency.

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yes repubs caught voting for dead relatives. Nothing to see here.

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Yep. I think this undermines Short’s argument. Maybe Pence never believed he had the authority, but he was sure looking for someone who would tell him he did.

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Mixing metaphors, Trump swallowed their lines hook, line, and sinker.

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