SCOTUS Takes Up House Bid For Mueller Grand Jury Docs | Talking Points Memo

The Supreme Court agreed to hear arguments in a case deciding whether Congress will get access to evidence gathered during the Mueller investigation, the court said on Thursday.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1318317
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I am glad this isn’t a murder mystery book, because I already know the outcome of this… no suspense here.

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The Supreme Court agreed to hear arguments in a case deciding whether Congress will get access to evidence gathered during the Mueller investigation, the court said on Thursday.

A shame.

Unless there are leaks, the thing will stay under wraps until next year, at least.

Or unless Doug Letter finds a path forward, perhaps by being more specific about what the House needs – but even for this, he’s running out of time.

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The SC is now just an organ of the Republican Russian party.

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On the one hand, yeah, it delays things. On the other… Roberts is a big believer in precedent, and might surprise people again here (especially if DJT is gone or looks to be on the way out, hard, when the Court hears this one). If so… it’d be nice to have an official ā€˜no, the Congress gets the materials the Congress needs for oversight’ ruling in place against future bullshit like this.

Remember, he’s about 2 things, in the end: Preserving the Court’s legacy & legitimacy, and enabling the donor class. Most politicians won’t be the donor class (unlike Trump), so he might well want this one established in case the political positions (WH v Congress, and who controls what) are reversed in the future.

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Arguments in the case will likely prolong its decision until 2021.

And isn’t this what its all about? Conservaturds in robes deciding something that has already been deemed available in other cases where grand jury testimony has been given to Congress in all similar situations…Procrastination only enables that freak to get away with even more wrongdoing while he continues to secretly talk with Putin while our soldiers are killed and he tries to deny everything. I really don’t think they’ll allow his taxes to be released either.

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ā€œthe entire reason for the case could end up being mootedā€

It already now has been. The Fascist Five will rule that it’s a new Congress, that no impeachment proceedings are pending and, probably, that Trump isn’t even POTUS so an impeachment inquiry cannot even exist.

President Biden could just order it released but that will be challenged in Court and delayed all the way to the Fascist Five ruling he cannot.

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There is no rule of law in this country. When it takes two years for Congress to get (or not get) any requested materials, all presidents are now immune for at least the last two years of their presidency from any oversight.

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MONTHS late and 52 Votes for Acquital later…

Meanwhile, WeThePeople and the Press had to FOIA to get a tiny tiny amount of unredacted Mueller Report…Trump KNEW about the Wikileaks dump just like Trump KNEW about the Russian 100K bounty for the US soldiers!

Addendum:

Worth the read…

ā€œI love [Ken Starr](The Starr Report: A Close Reading | The New Yorker),ā€ Rosenstein said, according to people present. (Starr was the independent counsel who oversaw the Clinton Whitewater investigation; Rosenstein had been a prosecutor on the Arkansas portion of that inquiry.) ā€œBut his investigation was a fishing expedition. Don’t do that. This is a criminal investigation. Do your job, and then shut it down.ā€

In other words, far from authorizing a wide-ranging investigation of the President and his allies, the Justice Department directed Mueller to limit his probe to individuals who were reasonably suspected of committing crimes.

Mueller did not use the F.B.I. information as a catalyst for a deeper examination of Trump’s history and personal finances. Nor did he demand to see Trump’s taxes, or examine the roots of his special affinity for Putin’s Russia. Most important, Mueller declined to issue a grand-jury subpoena for Trump’s testimony, and excluded from his report a conclusion that Trump had committed crimes. These two decisions are the most revealing, and defining, failures of Mueller’s tenure as special counsel.

Nothing in Mueller’s mandate required him to reach such a confusing and inconclusive final judgment on the most important issue before him. As a prosecutor, his job was to determine whether the evidence was sufficient to bring cases. The O.L.C.’s opinion prohibited Mueller from bringing a case, but Mueller gave Trump an unnecessary gift: he did not even say whether the evidence supported a prosecution.

Robert Mueller forfeited the opportunity to speak clearly and directly about Trump’s crimes, and Barr filled the silence with his high-volume exoneration. Mueller’s investigation was no witch hunt; his report was, ultimately, a surrender.

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Aside from a lot of noise, screaming and general commotion, pearl clutching, what materially happens if a president, any president, not necessarily Biden, says: ā€œFuck you Scotus, I’m a releasing it,ā€ and his DoJ says I’m not enforcing the Scotus’ finding?

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Oh that is certainly possible too. Just ignore the fuckers. It will have the GOP demanding impeachment the entire term haha

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Well, we’re about to find out with his tax returns.

I’m expecting an ā€œaccidentalā€ Predator drone strike on Mazars USA in an attempt to destroy all the evidence.

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Who controls the Senate in your scenario?

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The President’s party. Also House.

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In that case, ā€œnothing happensā€ is the answer to your question.

(I’m not saying that’s how it should be.)

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So, really, abiding by Judicial review is just another ā€œnorm?ā€

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Except Biden could just order the DoJ off the case as tRump’s personal attorneys in this case as tRump has done with having them defend the PPACA. He could have them withdraw and then tRump would need his own lawyers to represent him as it should have been from the start. He can pay them out of his own pocket instead of using our tax dollars to represent him and hide the truth from Congress on our dime. There’s really nothing the Pukes in Congress could complain about since they seem quite pleased that tRump withdrew defending the ACA as established law by the DoJ. Am I wrong about this?

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When will the court announce its decision? It should be any day now, shouldn’t it?

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Surprise, surprise…

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Trump is using personal attorneys for this and would be if not POTUS. His posture is as the investigated private citizen.

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