“Due process” is what used to separate us from the animals.
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And the Congress just kicks back and enjoys the show. Yeah. But don’t count out the Several States and the People. (Yet.)
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Other than the fact that the cruelty is the point of christofascist Republican policies, what is the fucking logic of allowing deportations to third countries? It just seems arbitrary and cruel.
ETA: Others have pointed this out elsewhere in this thread, but the implications of this are starting to sink in for me (I take news in little sips these days because the totality is too horrifying to take in all at once). When due process can be suspended for some, it can be suspended for all. I can really see nothing to stop trump’s ICE secret police from apprehending American citizens who are deemed undesirable by, for example, Reichsminister Stephen Miller and disappearing them to willing third countries. The supposed due process rights of American citizens are kind of meaningless in the face of trump administration stonewalling if that American citizen has been disappeared into a Libyan or Sudani prison.
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I find myself wondering whether history may judge that Trump was more law-abiding, or at least less dangerous, than the Roberts Court.
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Well, the Constitution was nice… while it lasted
The SCOTUS missed Amendment 14 section1"… deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law".
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“Any person” … seems clear to me
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The Supreme Court has lost its sense of justice and with it, its legitimacy as a fair and neutral arbiter of constitutional disputes. The Court could and should have left the lower court’s ruling in place pending a considered review of the issues. Instead, the conservative justices donned their MAGA hats and consigned people to banishment to countries with which they have no connection whatsoever. What a dark day and a terrible shame.
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Reverend Jeremiah Wright was correct: “God damn the United States.”
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My question is when deporting people is too inconvenient, how soon will they just shove them out of the airplane while over the ocean.
Without due process, who is going to know? And why should the depravity stop here with a SCOTUS seal of approval on it?
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Lost? A portion of the court is actively participating in stomping the concept of justice into mush. It was not misplaced.
So, let me understand this. Regardless of who you are, citizen or not, whatever color including white, have a presence, a life, if they “accidentally” nab you in an operation, they can whisk you away and you and concerned parties have no opportunity to challenge this. And they can put you in a hole in a foreign country with minimal access to assistance? Stevie Miller must be twirling on his toes in the West Wing. It is like a fairy tale come true for him.
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Yes, and without process, how do we know they’re not shipping out American citizens?
Because they can.
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Sometimes someone’s country of origin won’t accept them back, either because that country doesn’t have birthright citizenship, so the deportee is officially stateless, or because the government has imploded and isn’t accepting repatriations (often, fleeing a civil war was the reason the deportee immigrated in the first place).
One choice, would be to say, okay, well I guess you’re American. The other choice is to be so upset about someone somewhere “winning” immigration law that you try and find somewhere else to accept the people you want to deport.
Historically, the US took that path but had lots of rules about it so in practice people would just go about their lives in the US with regular court checkins. There’s a texas case with a woman who was born in Saudi Arabia to foreign parents (so not a Saudi citizen) and moved to the US in elementary school. She’s now in immigraton detention
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That is the thought I had in my previous comment. Say you have a boss or a neighbor that holds a grudge. He calls in that he thinks you are undocumented. Presto, ICE shows up, drags you away and your life is thoroughly wrecked. A political rival does a nudge, nudge, wink, wink with connected parties and the opposition goes missing the dead of night. This can be so easily abused. Oopsies.
This is all Miller.
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If the authors had meant to restrict this to citizens, they would have said “citizen” rather than “person”.
But we’ve seen that the clear meaning of the words of the Constitution is nothing to these “strict constructionists”.
Fucking hypocritical bastards.
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If we were looking to the Supreme Court to save us from this monster, this decision shows that there is no hope for our Republic. The Supreme Court has rolled over for Trump. We’re screwed.
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I wonder if Stevie understands the blow back that will happen by countries around the world? If a tourist doesn’t feel like it’s safe to travel here then there’s tourist dollars gone. The blowback from countries that would have invested in this country will become nil.
And let’s not forget that this administration’s next move is to try and claw-back birthright citizenship. Oh they may start with those folks who can’t pass for a whiter shade of pale, but it won’t end there. Might was well retire this lady.
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And on the way to the third country, if they “accidentally” fall out of the airplane…?
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And that bothersome piece of paper called the Constitution.
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WTAF is next? Waterboarding is A-OK?
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This is Kafkaesque. Let’s assume person x is genuinely deportable, but instead of deporting him to his native country, we deport him to a country the culture of which the deportee has no connection.
Sounds like a prank of sorts, but one of monumental cruelty.
The more I think about these recent Sup Ct decisions, the more I’m persuaded that the “conservatives” on the court planned to go full MAGA eventually. They didn’t sit in a room and cook up a conspiracy. It’s just a kind of loose cabal that started like some ugly, metastatic cancer on the body politic.
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And there you have it.
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