Schumer Asks McConnell To Subpoena Mulvaney And Bolton In Senate Trial

you’re right of course. I mean, impeachment resolutions haven’t even passed in the House yet – so its a tad presumptuous for Schumer to be asking for specific witnesses, and doing so in a publicly released letter.

I’ve read the rules, and didn’t find that provision, so if you have a link, I’d appreciate it. The closest I’ve found was an implied assumption in a mention on the form a subpoena has to take…

Form of a subpena to be issued on the application of the managers of
the impeachment, or of the party impeached, or of his counsel

Technically, the power to subpoena lies with the Senate itself – so any subpoena requested by the House managers will have to be consistent with the rules and procedures established by the Senate for this trial.

A couple of points…

first, I notice that neither Pompeo nor Giuliani is on the list. That seems odd to me.

Second, I don’t see this as very effective bit of political theater. McConnell can swipe it aside by noting that the House is sending articles of impeachment without ever attempting to enforce its own subpoenas (and withdrawing one to avoid having the courts rule on it).

And he can pass rules that limit House evidence to that which was presented during the impeachment process itself – thereby forcing Roberts to rule against the Dems on any request to subpoena new witnesses. Even if the Dems force a vote on Roberts rulings, they will almost certainly lose, and it will be a bad look for Dems to be asking that the “impartial” Supreme Court Judge’s rulings be overturned.

This is going to place McConnell in an interesting position. He could probably force the Repubs who would not go along to vote his way but then he will damage their chances for re-election. I think he would rather retain control of the Senate than protect Trump if it becomes an either/or situation.

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I listened to this on NPR and have some questions. What if Joe Biden testified? What if Adam Schiff testified? I think trump is stupid enough to actually engage in a quid pro quo in exchange for Bolton, et al.

Downsides? Other than Biden admitting that his son had no special skills to get a cushy job? Not exactly on par with the crime spree that is the trump family.

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It’s probably time to revisit Elaine’s corruption at DOT.

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And her family’s licit and illicit businesses.

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It’s a deep well.
China to left of us, Russia to the right, here we are…stuck in the middle again.

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I thought I read somewhere that Pence would have to recuse himself from the tie-breaker role because of his obvious conflict of interest: if he votes guilty, he sits at the desk in the Oval Office.

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I didn’t say I have anything against theater.

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Conviction (after impeachment) requires a vote by two thirds of senators present, minimum.

If 100 senators are present, 67 votes are needed to convict.

Suppose 67 Senators vote to convict and 33 vote no: that’s a conviction, not a tie.

Suppose 66 Senators vote to convict and 34 vote no: that’s an acquittal, not a tie.

And so on.

A Vice President’s normal tie-breaking power does not come into play.

 

@darrtown

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That’s why I limited it to republicans and their base. There’s no point in acting like the senate trial could still be legitimate. The people who might recognize the hypocrisy probably already recognize the sham being perpetrated by repubs.

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I was thinking of normal Senate business after the election should 3 GOP senators lose their seats and I was not thinking of this present shit show. After the election there could be 50 senators in each camp with Q-tip as the tie breaker.

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Let’s work to make that (or better) happen.

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There are by my estimation 8 seats in play. Here in AZ McSally looks to lose. The same seems likely in Colorado… so… 2 more would be delightful and MoscowMitch would have a very bad day. I wish more people understood basic civics.

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I keep hoping against hope. It would feel like the sun coming out!

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I think it is wrong for senators to announce, before the trial, how they’re gonna vote. It’s an insult to their oath, their office, to us and to the Constitution they swore before God to defend. I do not care which party the senator is part of.

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A Democratic House and Senate?

May be enough to want Trump re-elected!

(For additional impeachment, I mean.)

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I prefer persecution, but continued impeachment would be fine. He experiences it like persecution, having no idea what governance means at all.

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I hope to see trump meet a law enforcement officer from SDNY with a raft of indictments as he exits the White House as a non-president.

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:+1::+1::+1:

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