School Choice Proposals Rarely Go Before Voters—And Typically Fail When They Do

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Howdy, happy Saturday.
Georgia and NC, the states where I pay attention to the local Leges (Lived in GA, and though in NC, in the Atlanta media market) are poised to set up massive school voucher programs.

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These people want taxpayer dollars to pay for their kid’s private education, fuck that.

If you can only afford a Chevy don’t ask for free money so you can buy a Lexus, it doesn’t work like that.

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If we kill public education, the republican madrassa’s can poison the minds of the young to save their voting constituency

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Private and religious schools have traditionally been prohibited from receiving taxpayer dollars. But since private school-choice programsbegan in the 1990s, 32 states and the District of Columbia have adopted 76 school voucher or voucherlike programs that allow families to send their children to private schools at public expense, according to the pro-voucher group EdChoice

The last big grift. Get a piece of that sweet public ed $$$. Public education needs to show that all kids are making adequate progress in school. Private/voucher schools do not have that mandate.

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Segregation academies aren’t just going to subsidize themselves, libtards.

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Finland is considered to have the best educated people. The reason? Private schools are prohibited. The wealthy are not allowed to buy their way out of a crappy system so they have to support an excellent public system if they want their kids to have an excellent education.

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Was discussing this issue with a Republican teacher a few years ago who claimed it would be impossible to match their excellence because “Finland is a different country.”

BTW, this video is the reason we even had the conversation and of course she refused to watch it.

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Growing up our families best backpacking/camping friends were from Finland.
Since they were childless, they would take my sister and I to “children’s day” at Boeing.
That was cool because they ran the Boeing metallurgy lab. Lots of cool stuff like an electron microscope and their own glassblowing shop for custom instruments.
Dad took us to his shop just once. Just a bunch of magnetic tape machines along the walls and a bunch of noisy punch card consoles on the floor.
Boring!

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It’s almost as if equitably contributing to a common goal allows all of society to equally benefit. Crazy stuff.

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“Crazy stuff”
Yeah…total Marxism./s

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Building the first 707’s?

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The 707s were earlier in his career. Silk screening 440 vinyl die cuts for the interiors. But since I was already working the (every election year) silk screening shop in the garage making yard signs I was already bored with silk screening.

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Back in the day, my not-very-liberal (but not crazy) sister refused to send her kids to the private academy en vogue with her neighbors in rural Georgia for two reasons. The first was she suspected (I think correctly) that it was merely a way to perpetuate racially segregated schools. The second was that it simply wasn’t any better. She would have been paying privately for them to receive a substandard education.

And, now, twenty years later, instead of rejecting such nonsense emerging in failing states, the move is to nationalize the effort, forcing it upon the nation as a whole.

It’s maddening, and one of the reasons I find it hard to maintain a belief we will emerge from this period of ignorance (in numerous areas) anytime soon.

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Instead of Jim Crow

James Crow

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NICE

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Arizona continues to be one of the leaders in gutting public schools to finance private religious (and usually very white) schools across the state, and they have their newly re-elected Superintendent of Education Tom Horne to lead the way for further demoralization of teachers and others by focusing oversized efforts on non-existent problems. His biggest move so far has been to set up a hot line for parents to call in suspicions that teachers might be teaching CRT or, worse, discussing emotions.

What has become extremely noticeable in AZ over the past 10 years is the lack of funding for kids wanting to go to state university, with tuition costs rising steadily every year and over 30% in the last 10 years. Add to this the cost of everything at public school now, from field trips to band uniforms, and you have a constant stream of kids selling and begging one phony promotion after another to raise money for things that used to be included in public schools. I have 6 grandkids in public school and there is not a week that goes by that one of them isn’t selling bad chocolate bars or phony coupon books in order to fund something. Of course we do all we can, but this is starting to look like some kind of MLM scheme.

As a side note, I saw a group of 7th and 8th graders do a presentation of Sondheim’s Into the Woods last night and it wasn’t half bad.

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I hope Hobbs and Kelly can make a difference…along with other Democrats…

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So, evil, then?

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In the early 70’s I took a flight on one of the first 747 planes. It was a National Airlines (fly me!) flight to Florida. One of the stewardesses gave me a model of the plane which I wish that I still had. As a pre teen I was amused by the raised cockpit roof and the two level passenger sections with the staircase that connected them.

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