Not my fault, I was just observing and bitching about the potential result, which ended up being exactly what played out.
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Though I did, Sanders was supposedly going to win Minnesota in 2020. He didn’t, but that’s supposedly the ‘establishment’s’ fault.
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That seems likely, the ceiling and the off sense of things relative to running against Hillary who fairly or not (I think fairly re public persona, not per se the smears) had all the affability on the Big Stage of … an ice queen.
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Was tricked into seeing Pink Flamingos.
By children!
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We all were.
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OK, thanks, that makes me feel better.
Finally, after forty years.
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There are very weird people on both sides.
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Yup. The DNC was doing everything in their power to make sure that Hillary was safely escorted to the finishing line of the nomination. Everything from colluding with her campaign (as e-mails later proved), to stacking the deck upfront with superdels, to limiting debates, to leaning on lots of other prominent folks to not get in the race…
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I hope this didn’t stop you from seeing 200 Motels.
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Yeah, the electorate is now “the establishment”. He almost certainly got, more or less, the number of votes he was predicted to get, but candidates dropped out and their votes went to the “establishment”. If they’d stayed in and split the votes he could have claimed a victory on the plurality as he did in Iowa.
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This is the trailer that tricked me into seeing it.
Genius marketing strategy.
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Women seem to be damned if they do act serious when running for office and damned if they don’t. I didn’t see Hillary as an “ice queen” but many did obviously.
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“Deep State” = “Democratic Establishment”. It’s always someone else’s fault.
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Or he and Biden would have had a contested convention.
It’s still early, but Sanders delegate numbers are terrible down south.
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Nor did I.
Nor can I say I’ve actually met one.
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Doesn’t help when he blows off Mississippi to run to Michigan.
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Useful to look at 538:
Michigan: 2020 Democratic Primary: Who will win the Michigan primary? | FiveThirtyEight
Washington State: 2020 Democratic Primary: Who will win the Washington primary? | FiveThirtyEight
25% chance of Sanders winning Michigan is (as the lesson of 2016 goes) not a zero. It’s a real risk. Of course Biden campaign does not seem to be afflcited with the Hillary campaign hubris effect (perhaps it is quite useful to be behind and on a shoe-string - I hope it taught good lessons to them, useful ones for the General).
The Washington is a real toss up, could go either way. If Biden hits expectations in Michigan and pulls off a near-tie in Washington, that will quite do the necessary.
In searching back (partially motivated by Castor_troy self cite) found this 2016 note interesting: Theda Skocpol Responds to Judis - TPM – Talking Points Memo
BlockquoteMine says Democrats have to create sustained organizational reach, not just at election time, stretching beyond metropolitan communities and states. Yours, however, is the conventional wisdom: This type of argument is used to argue that Democrats must “message” better and move left on policy issues to attract an imaginary factory-based white working class. How would that have worked in an election where the media never conveyed any policy substance at all? Even next time, if a Trump type does not take over the media, all that approach would do is take the war to imaginary terrain. Failed HRC messaging about trade, etc. was not the reason Trump won. There are few such voters in non-metro America and none would hear trade pact focused messages plausible in the actual lives. In much of non-metro America, families and marriages are fragile, drug deaths are rampant, churches are the only community institutions, men try to piece together service and construction jobs, low paid, while women do the same and try to raise kids. Democrats and their messages hardly penetrate at all, and they seem directed at worlds these people do not live in. Indeed, Dem messages seem directed at blacks and browns – there is a lot of racial anxiety at work.
The lack of Dem non-urban rust-belt electoral org infra… and over-heavy Dem urban org infra. I think that Theda was quite on to something there.
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Well, she usually is.
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It’s this kind of grievance pleading by the Sanders campaign that leaves me cold. I am still planning to vote for Warren in the AZ primary, but that could change.
Bernie Sanders wants to stand up at the next debate — and his campaign is accusing Joe Biden of wanting to sit down.
“Why does Joe Biden not want to stand toe-to-toe with Sen. Sanders on the debate stage March 15 and have an opportunity to defend his record and articulate his vision for the future?” asked Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ senior adviser.
Biden’s campaign and the DNC said the format for the debate was decided by the party and CNN. The news network declined to comment and referred questions to the DNC.
“We will participate in whatever debate CNN choses to stage: standing, sitting, at podiums, or in a town hall,” Biden’s deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield said.
Preposterous.
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