Putin Had A Lot Of Options. He Chose The Most Aggressive One

No I was not being ironic. My comment was based on historical realities, not moral ones.

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Ukrainians have no problems with russians, they get along fine.

One specific russian has a problem with Ukrainians. Hoping that there’s just one of his security officers with an extra bullet handy.

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I have no problem calling Stephen Miller a Nazi, and he is Jewish too.

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Well, the Neville Chamberlain approach sure as fuck worked to keep him out of Ukraine. So, sure, let’s just wait for him to consolidate control there then start gazing longingly at the Baltics.

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The same ā€œhistorical realitiesā€ that led FDR to not bomb the death camps. Nice. And thanks for confirming that morality plays no role in your thinking and behavior. Gotta look out for #1, of course. But keep trying to justify what we did over 80 years ago with what is going on now.

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I do not see the political statements by Zelensky as comparable to those by Miller. Carry on.

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Didn’t you know that because some Jews are fascistic scumbags, all are? I guess I’m one too, then…

I’m finding today to be very useful in finding out which site members are worth blocking. The trolls and troll-like types are self-outing and doing us all a favor. Life is too short to watch on nonsense.

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Would t’were so. But I fear that those sound like famous last words.

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It’s the mirror image of ā€œYou don’t have to be Jewish to love Levy’s Rye Breadā€

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I could definitely envision low yield tactical nukes busting out if that happened.

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Biden has said since last December that we will not engage Russia militarily to keep them out of Ukraine. He never said that this would stop Putin from invading, but that there would be economic consequences if he did. Framing this as a Neville Chamberlain approach is completely off the mark and you know it.

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I am not certain/sure. Not engaging would be far more costly. If we don’t act, we could run into a cold war mind set, which would send defense costs escalating, destabilize geopolitics, and trade bigly. The global economy and human quality of life experienced significant growth since the Soviet Union was dismembered. Even Russia saw a measure of progress. I am certain that neutralizing Putin, Lavrov could similarly be very effective.

Russian intelligence has infiltrated the United States institutions including election systems quite extensively. There are networks of Putin whores like Skanky Turdface, Lindsay Graham, Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn, Moscow Mitch and others we have to address. And there is software from Kaspersky Laboratories. These are serious national security risks from within that we need to neutralize.

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One wild card, which some here are I think too quick to dismiss, is the nuclear factor. Rational thinking and the historical record might suggest that it’s not a serious concern, but Putin is a cornered animal who just initiated his own end game (just not in the way he likes to believe) and if things go badly for him, all bets are off. I’m talking an ā€œIf I go down then everyone goes down with meā€ scenario. Hitler ordered the destruction of Paris and other occupied cities and a scorched earth policy when the end seemed inevitable. Putin’s not quite in the bunker yet, but if it gets to that point, who knows. MAD has worked for over 75 years, but no nuclear regime has ever faced military defeat and economic collapse during that whole time, but once, the USSR in the late 80’s. But they had a wise and sane leader back then. They don’t now. Madmen cannot be relied upon to respect MAD.

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The complete invasion of Ukraine and upending the balance of power in Europe/the West was always the objective. It was never about anything else. Not NATO, not any romantic notions about ā€œmother Russiaā€, nothing.

Putin intends to go out with a bang. Doing as much damage and destruction as possible because he’s incapable of anything else. Just like any common psychopath who believes they’re out of time.

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Uncertain but we most definitely must do an entirely undefined thing? That’s some real strategic thinking there, my friend.

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Assuming the Alpha Centaurians’ computers will be able to decypher the charred, melted silicone memory chips they dig up from the forest floor.

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My behaviour? Now you are making it personal, when it’s not. I am not the one invading Ukraine, nor cheering them on. I am just stating what is out there to see, weaker states have historically been run over by stronger ones. Question: where were you when the US showed up in the Middle East making demands that Iraq was not going to be able to meet, and then invading and bombing civilians? Remember the excuses that we expected to believe?

No to WAR!

rinse, repeat

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Best case scenario, really. Other outcomes are much darker.

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Which was a horrible position to take, and I’ve been criticizing it the whole fucking way along.

Telling a bully that ā€œhey, I’m just not gonna bring any lunch money with me, so you’re outta luckā€ really does nothing to stop the bully.

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