A new pair of polls suggest that Donald Trump’s chances of getting elected president are very thin, to say the least, with the public eyeing his potential candidacy with great suspicion.
Discobot, you have a twisted sense of humor to dredge up this article…
This score was the worst out of the whole potential Republican field tested in the poll, beating out the 58% who say they would never vote for Sarah Palin and 15% who would enthusiastically back her, plus 24% who would consider it.
15%. I weep for my species.
And for those that got Trump elected in 2016 by being butthurt?
I can almost (just almost) understand the liberals and progressives who couldn’t vote for Clinton in 2016.
I can’t (can’t in the deepest part of my soul) understand the liberals and progressives who plan on doing it again this year if Biden is our official nominee.
My heart is broken because my niece is one of them. She’s a die hard Bernie supporter. Her state has yet to hold its primary, and she will write in Bernie’s name if it’s not on the ballot, which is fine by me. But, she has also proclaimed (on FB no less) that she will never vote for Biden in November.
I don’t understand. I can’t understand. She’s educated. She’s loving. She has two young children. How can she be okay with even the slightest possibility of Trump winning re-election? How can she be so selfish and spoiled?
My sympathies to your situation. AFAIK, Bernie STILL is not addressing this with his die-hard supporters. Yes, he has “suspended” his campaign, but still has not loudly endorsed Joe Biden. Each day that goes by without doing so, puts him, and his die-hard supporters, firmly into the Trump camp.
The second question is probably not useful. If it were just a simple matter of her being “so selfish and spoiled,” would you not have noticed it a long time ago?
As to the first question: Have you asked her?
She knows my views and feelings. I’ve decided not to discuss it further with her. I don’t want to hurt my sibling or start a family argument.
My niece is very giving and loving. She’s a therapist and social worker who works with at risk families and children in an urban area. I know why and understand why she supports Bernie. She sees firsthand that Medicaid is the best health insurance, and she wants everyone to have it. I agree with her about that. But where I am willing to bend on “the perfect” in order to defeat a vile evilness, she is not.
She is also aware that she comes from a place of privilege. She has the privilege (due to the sacrifices and views of others in her state) to hold onto her idealism. She lives in a reliably blue state. I think that is a cop out, and it pisses me off. I view it as spitting in the face of all those people who don’t have that privilege. She’s willing (if only symbolically) to sacrifice the stability of the world, our next Supreme Court Judge(s), her own clients, and her babies’ future, because she is upset that most people are not choosing Bernie to be our nominee.
Wonderfully stated and well reasoned. I think most of us, at least on TPM, have lofty goals and ideals, many of which we have fought for over the years and will continue to do so until we draw our last breath. The logic-boggling aspect of the die-hard Bernie supporters is that they somehow think that they are the only ones who “get it” or have ever “got it”, and that if you’re not for Bernie, you’re the enemy. I’ve given up responding to the Bernie dead-enders on this site (and others) as it’s like talking to a brick wall. I respect their idealism, I deplore their single-mindedness that its “Bernie or Bust”, or their trying to sowing generational divisions.
I have a sister who is a Trumper, and it’s honestly getting harder and harder to feel any family connection with her anymore.
Hopefully you can keep things on a good basis with your daughter. Maybe, just maybe, she’ll come to her senses before election day.
Thank you, but it’s my niece, not my daughter.
While my daughter is also a Bernie supporter (she was a Hillary supporter in 2016…go figure), I would have no problem going at it with her. 
My daughter is idealistic, but also pragmatic - I think living in NYC for the last ten years has taught her to walk that line.
Sorry, you had it typed right there “niece”. Need more coffee…
Peace.
I’m sure she knows what you think – but the question you raised (above) was “how [she could] be okay with even the slightest possibility of Trump winning re-election” – and my question to you was whether you had put your question to her.
And from your response, I cannot tell whether you have.
You represent her as saying that she is …
She actually said all this? Or is this your view of her stance?
Plus what do her parents think?
Anyway, no need to ask her, or them. I was just curious.
And now I’m out. Have a great evening.
