Oh Look, Yet Another Former Trump Official Seems To Have Done A Voter Fraud

Matt Mowers, a former State Department official under the Trump administration who’s now running against Rep. Chris Pappas (D-NH) as a GOP challenger, cast ballots in two states in the 2016 GOP presidential primaries, records obtained by the Associated Press reveal.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1411724
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Mowers: “I can prove there was voter fraud!”

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IIRC every time a politician or a political operative is charged with voter fraud it is a republican. Seriously, every single time.

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I’d respond by demanding “Lock him up” but it just seems so trite. Until the head of the snake is dealt with, these incidents of hypocrisy and lawlessness will continue. Sigh…

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I am not diving into the specifics of NH and NJ residency requirements for voting eligibility, but it’s not crazy to think that this guy validly established residency in both states and actually was eligible to vote in both primaries. I know I have voted in one state’s caucus and another state’s general election, purely because my residence had changed in the interim.

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NH resident…and voter here. The Republican Party in NH is encouraging violence by promoting unlicensed gun ownership and the use of guns to intimidate. They also have passed anti-abortion legislation. The party here is filled with neo-Nazis, vicious lying racists, and cruel ugly homophobes. Scum really. Mowers is from that tribe of human filth and deceit. Scum. Racist homophobic Republican scum.

PS: Yesterday as I was heading into the supermarket, there was a guy getting into his pick-up truck all decorated with Fuck Biden and Let’s Go Brandon flags and billboards. I walked up to him and told him he could go fuck himself and that he was racist scum. This is today’s Republican Party.

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The projection with this faction is mind blowing. Trumpists are guilty of literally everything they rant against.
Which in a twisted way validates their own outrage. Very weird, and reality distorting.

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With all due respect, those two actions of your are not the same as what these men did. If you move to another jurisdiction between the time of the primary/caucus and the time of the general election and don’t try to vote in both places both times, that is different.

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Prove it. Cite me the law. Or, alternatively, just admit that you know nothing.

It has long been the case. I strongly believe that they groundlessly accuse the Democrats of doing what they intend to do in order to justify the latter. Furthermore, when the GQP accuses the Democrats of doing something vile, look carefully. They are revealing their own intentions and/or actions.

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Are you referring to me? No, I am a retired MD, not a lawyer. I cannot cite the law. That is separate. What you have described is similar, but not the same. Whether or not it is legal in any particular jurisdiction is for lawyers to determine.

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Mark Meadows … this guy … and all those others that voted twice for Trump - or registered illegally - or monkeyed around with the process in some other illegal way … will demand that they only get a warning … cause they are you know … just regular guys … who made an oopsie

but …

Remember Crystal Mason

an African-American woman who was convicted of attempting to cast a vote while on federal supervised release during the 2016 United States presidential election. Mason was under supervised release after completing a five-year sentence.

Mason committed tax fraud by inflating returns for her clients as a tax preparer, a crime for which she was arrested and pled guilty in 2011 and was sentenced in 2012. She was released after completing her sentence in 2016, and decided to vote in the 2016 election after being encouraged by her mother

During her initial trial, a probation official stated that he never told Mason that she could not vote.

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I was actually wondering about this–previous Twitterporting that I’d seen just said “voted twice”, not in two different primaries. I bought a house right before the 2020 general, and I made a particular paranoid point to not actually move my own ass cheeks, not truly establish residency in a meaningful way, until Wednesday, November 4. Wasn’t sure about the nitty-gritty particulars.

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GQP: … tell us who you voted for … then we will tell you if you violated the law…

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And yet you are opining what the law is for voting eligibility in two different states. All I said was that it might well have been perfectly legal to vote in both primaries. “Double voting” is hardly a clear or uniform legal question.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/double-voting.aspx

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You missed something in the article. He voted in two presidential primaries for the same election which appears to be prohibited by federal law. Not the same situation as yours.

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Voter residency requirements vary from state to state, but it’s highly unlikely that anyone would notice or care so long as you only cast one ballot in the same election. There are plenty of people who could establish “residency” in more than one state for any single election. I mean, it’s not like Trump meaningfully resided at Mar-a-Lignant in 2018 and 2020, but he still got to vote there.

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I was only moving about a quarter mile, so it was a low-cost precaution on my part :laughing:

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Two different primaries are, in fact and in law, two different elections.

ETA: 52 U.S.C. §10307. Prohibited acts

(e) Voting more than once

(1) Whoever votes more than once in an election referred to in paragraph (2) shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(2) The prohibition of this subsection applies with respect to any general, special, or primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the United States Senate, Member of the United States House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, Guam, or the Virgin Islands, or Resident Commissioner of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

(3) As used in this subsection, the term “votes more than once” does not include the casting of an additional ballot if all prior ballots of that voter were invalidated, nor does it include the voting in two jurisdictions under section 10502 of this title, to the extent two ballots are not cast for an election to the same candidacy or office.

The New Hampshire primary is not the New Jersey primary.

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