Now in Bright Red Missouri we got Republicans in Disarray which will be ignored by the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press!
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Go read the Southern articles of secession. They are all available on line.
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Haley said “I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run, the freedoms and what people could and couldn’t do,”
Sure, the confederate insurrectionists fired on Fort Sumter because they were upset over Lincoln’s proposed expansion of the transcontinental railroad, creating the National academy of sciences and land grant universities. /s
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I say he doesn’t.
I take your point: used a bit of hyperbole to make another one.
suggests to me a degree of strategic stupidity, on her part and that of her handlers.
She knew the true answer. She didn’t want to say it b/c she knows it’d cost her the racist base. What was stupid was, as stated above, the colossal lack of preparation, and her inability to improvise a more effectively equivocal answer. She’s an educated person but this answer was, in fact, strategically stupid.
[e/t/a but if “laughable cowardice” tracks better, I’m good with that:]
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States Rights is the supporting argument (all legal) for vast infringements on civil rights in the US: voter suppression, anti-minority legislation on reproductive health, gender identity, racial minorities, freedom of religion and from religion. Not exactly a load of bull. Or were you just referring to states rights as a cause of the Civil War?
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“Haley’s answer did not include any mention of slavery, which scholars agree was the main driver of the conflict.”
I dunno what scholars need to agree, the rebels said very clearly why they were doing it. They weren’t bitching about liberty, taxes or tariffs; they were bitching about slavery.
The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.
The Confederate constitution is almost identical to the US Constitution, it just makes protections to slavery explicit.
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The privilege of suffering gun violence is a basic human right in the United States. It’s what the Founders intended, and has been upheld by a multitude of courts and state legislatures.
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Don’t Know Much About History? Nikki Haley And Slavery
Lightweight- who- will- never- be- President Nikki Haley is used to talking in front of white nationalist Republican crowds who don’t like to hear “woke” discussions about things like, um, American history – specifically things like the Civil War. It might make them feel (there’s that word again) uncomfortable about the institution of slavery, the North’s hostility toward which was the first reason Haley’s home state of South Carolina cited when it seceded from the Union in 1860. We’re certain Haley knows all about this history but was too chickenshit to mention it when she was confronted at a New Hampshire town hall yesterday:
Nikki Haley had talked about a litany of issues America is confronting today — including fentanyl, inflation and wars abroad — before an audience member at a town hall here Wednesday raised his hand to question the Republican presidential candidate about a 162-year-old event.
“What was the cause of the United States Civil War?” the man asked Haley, a former U.N. ambassador and South Carolina governor who is campaigning this week in this key early primary state.
Haley’s answer did not include any mention of slavery, which scholars agree was the main driver of the conflict. It prompted surprise from her questioner and swift criticism and rebuttals from Democrats and Republicans beyond New Hampshire, including President Biden. It also resurfaced Haley’s previous comments that the war was the result of disagreements over “tradition versus change.”
At first, when she heard the question, Haley appeared caught off guard. The recreation room in this northernmost city in New Hampshire, a place that has leaned red in recent elections, grew quiet, and Haley looked at the man dressed in a plaid shirt who stood behind his sons seated in the back row.
She paused and responded, “Well, don’t come with an easy question.” Then she proceeded to answer.
“I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run, the freedoms and what people could and couldn’t do,” Haley said.
She then turned the question to the man who asked it: “What do you think the cause of the Civil War was?”
The man responded that he is not running for president and wanted to hear her thoughts.
“I think it always comes down to the role of government and what the rights of the people are,” Haley continued. “And I will always stand by the fact that I think government was intended to secure the rights and freedoms of the people. It was never meant to be all things to all people. Government doesn’t need to tell you how to live your life. They don’t need to tell you what you can and can’t do. They don’t need to be a part of your life.”
The man then responded, “In the year 2023, it’s astonishing to me that you answer that question without mentioning the word slavery.”
Haley quickly replied with a question: “What do you want me to say about slavery?”
The man said, “You’ve answered my question, thank you.” Haley replied, “Next question.”… (our emphasis)
Our next question would be “Where and at what point did you lose your soul?”
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In 1977 there was this TV event that swept the nation-Roots. Didn’t matter what the teachers were trying to teach, in my Missouri HS we talked about Roots.
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She follows and doesn’t lead. She just doesn’t have it in her.
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Agreed.
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And “States Rights” was a made up justification for the insurrection plastered over all the dead bodies.
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And yet there were people in the audience who were annoyed with the questioner and thought the history of slavery was irrelevant today. One hundred and sixty years ago many Northerners, some of them possibly ancestors of the New Hampshire residents who came to hear Haley, were opposed less to slavery than to secession – and if they opposed slavery, were not therefore non-racist.
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Every person who asks this question of a Republican candidate who then waffles on it (and htey all will) should carry a copy of Isabel Wilkerson’s brilliant “Caste” and hand it to the candidate to “fill in the blanks.” Make it a thing on the left. But we have no balls. Zero.
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And they learned those useful skills, which were very helpful to the people that fucking owned them!
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Tx had a lot to say about what was in the school books back then, it being one of the biggest purchasers of those books.
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There are probably millions of Republicans that think the demise of slavery was a regrettable capitulation to misplaced hysteria that blacks were equally human to whites. And if offered a slave free of criminal complications they’d take one in a heartbeat.
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“What do you want me to say?” [about slavery]
“That you’re for it, of course! You ARE a Republican, right?”
(imaginary conversation in my dreams)
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I went to high school in Texas in the 60s. We were taught that it was about slavery.
She was absolutely correct… It was about whether you could or couldn’t enslave people. 
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