Maternal Deaths Are Expected To Rise Under Abortion Bans, But The Increase May Be Hard To Measure

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This nonsense infuriates me. There is no other medical procedure (yet) which has been so invaded by outside interests. An abortion is simply a matter to be decided by the patient and her physician. No one else has any standing to interfere. No one.

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I sometimes wonder if the anti-abortion movement isn’t backed by the wire coathanger industry. Of if maybe the wire coathanger industry isn’t owned by the men running the Catholic and Evangelical Churches. That would explain why they are so desperate to go back to the good old days before Roe when wire coathangers were the principal brutal tool used by young women who couldn’t find approrpiate healthcare.

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While the percentage of maternal deaths rises, the actual number is seen as low. I think the better course of investigation is to track how the states that have banned abortion, or severely limited it, are doing with regards to kids in foster care and their medica care, kids in low income families getting housing and food, graduation rates for both cases. Are states complicit in turning out poorly educated kids?

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[quote=“lastroth, post:4, topic:238871”]
investigation is to track how the states that have banned abortion, or severely limited it
If what you listed turns out to prove that banned abortions have caused misery, pain and death the Repubs will say well done.

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I think the lack of transparency is taken as a feature, not a bug by the reich wing.

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way back in the day, i knew women/girls who had abortions. none were ‘wire’ coat hanger abortions…all the ones i knew of went to a DR. who did abortions , it was expensive, the women with money got the D&C…the thing was, then, if compliactions rose from the abortion. the person had to get to the hospital, or would probably die. this anti-abortion crowd has caused the closing of thousands of PLANNED PARENTHOOD facilities which many low- income women depanded on for GYN care.at least now, birth control meds are available over the counter.if i had my way, i would castarate every man who voted against abortion…that would almost guarantee, at least. fewer abortions.

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I like this idea! And I am a man.

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You are lucky to have affluent friends. Desperate poor women and girls often died trying self induced abortions using coathangers.

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Not enough rightists are being asked how many milliliters of blood someone should have to lose before their doctor feels safe to treat them without fear of going to jail. Not enough rightists are being asked why the number is greater than zero for women.

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If this issue focused on Men"s sexual activities and decisions, it would be howled out of congress as ridiculous. Since it is just women who are being affected, the men in charge see no problem in making this decision for them. They will rot in hell for their arrogance.

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Well, I grew up before Roe, and the attitude was that A) poor girls should not get “in trouble” in the first place and B) It is always their own fault if they got pregnant. No boy was ever punished or held accountable

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That, itself, should be a national scandal

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It’s not much different now. The old saw
of “boys will be boys and she should
have kept her legs crossed” is still prime
here in the southland.

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There are very harsh realities to what has
happened for women, after the Roe
SCOTUS decision.

A lot of these states have no exceptions for pregnancies that result from rape and incest. Think about that.

A girl or woman being FORCED into rape
or incest. They’ve had no say, no voice to stop
the brutality. If they wind up pregnant, a child
yes, neither has the right in these states
to make a choice of their own. They are
FORCED, again, with no say and no voice
to change anything. Unless, like thousands
of other girls and women before Roe, took
to back alleys and coat hangers.

And what of the unwanted babies that will
be born? Who will take care of them in
these states that have taken away not only
choice, but slashed their state budgets
for care of the poor and undeserved? Who
will support the foster care systems in
these states?

It costs a minimum of 200k in a fairly moderate 2 income home to raise 1 child
from birth to college age. If you’re a single
parent, it’s even harder. These are wanted
children.

Will these states provide this kind of care
for these unwanted children?

I doubt any of the 6 SCOTUS who signed
Roe last year, looked this far down the
road.

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my friends were not affleuent…the difference being they knew who had impregnated them,and did not hesitate to let the guy know… the 'poor’women girls also ‘knew’, but were powerless or too afraid to confront the guy…the really affluent women went to CUBA via MIAMI ,[this was before Castro]