Kinzinger Suggests QAnon Theories Have ‘Unmoored’ The Republican Party | Talking Points Memo

Uhhh no, they go together like stink on shit.

I’d go even further and claim that this immersion in dark conspiracy theories has been part of the GOP’s base for decades – going back to the Eisenhower/McCarthy days at least – and part of the conservative base since our nation’s founding

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The idea that the GOP is run by Russia is wishful thinking and a conspiracy theory in its own right. The sad truth is that there are millions of Americans all too happy to support these people and they don’t need outside help to be a grave danger to us all.

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But the onus will always be on the Dems.

The political press is broken, stagnant, and behaving like it’s still 1985.

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Kinzinger is either mistaken or spinning when he says the the Q types aren’t in favor of the GOP platform. The GOP has no platform this cycle, except for support for trump. His whole party walked away from where he claims to be.

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100% agreed.

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Can’t have a neck without a spine, right?

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Their view of Christianity and Patriotism was the gateway drug to Q.

Seriously. Let’s take Communion which every church does.

Isn’t it just as crazy as Q.

Drinking Welch’s Grape Drink and eating a Cracker as the blood and body of Christ.

I’m just asking.

“Let’s be clear. She’s not a Republican."

Au contraire, Adam. She is a bona fide member of the Guardians Of Pillagers. She just happens to say the quiet part out loud.

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When it comes time to say or do something of surpassing stupidity, McCarthy is just the man for the job.

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He is dead wrong that there is an epic fight coming. The battle already happened, and I think it is apparent to most, Democrats AND Republicans, who won. Kinzinger and his few remaining allies are swiftly on the road to irrelevance.

The “epic fight” is over, and it ended not with a bang, but with a whimper.

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Yes, sure. But the issue is what actions the crazy motivates a person to do. If it’s to help people in need and be kind to others, then I don’t have a problem with it. But I don’t see Q motivating people to do that, do you?

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Gingrich Is the source of the Hatred Poison that Trump tried to perfect. As per Norm Ornstein:

Back in 1978, when I first came to AEI, Tom Mann and I set up a series of small, off the record dinners with some new members of Congress. And one of them, Newt Gingrich, stood out right away. As a brand new member of the House, he had a full-blown theory of how Republicans could break out of their seemingly permanent minority, and build a majority.

And over the next 16 years, he put that plan into action. He delegitimized the Congress and the Democratic leadership, convincing people that they were arrogant and corrupt and that the process was so bad that anything would be better than this. He tribalized the political process. He went out and recruited the candidates, and gave them the language to use about how disgusting and despicable and horrible and immoral and unpatriotic the Democrats were. That swept in the Republican majority in 1994.

The problem is that all the people he recruited to come in really believed that shit. They all came in believing that Washington was a cesspool. So what followed has been a very deliberate attempt to blow up and delegitimize government, not just the president but the actions of government itself in Washington.

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  • 121 House Republicans (out of 211) voted to decertify the Arizona’s electors

  • 138 House Republicans (out of 211) voted to decertify Pennsylvania’s electors

It roughly a 65% majority of a party embraces a particular ideology / viewpoint - doesn’t that effectively become a key part of the identity of the party? - especially if there is some sort of belief in a democracy-lie approach to decision making.

The Republican Party has a really ugly situation here - 65% of the party was & is furiously flat out bizerkly railing against Presidential election decision-making via some sort of majority-rule process - they are so vexed with the outcome that they embrace invalidating the choice of the majority - by any means necessary … But at the same time the 35% minority of their party view them as crazy and unhinged and in direct conflict with the principles of democracy … So the exasperated 35% is viewing the 65% as ideologically “illegitimate” … which is the same attitude that the 65% is taking toward the just completed fair & free elections …
the Republican Party has entered into a ZOMBIE stage - with the actions being accomplished by parasites - as described in this article

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Does anyone know if posts from the alleged Q social media accounts have resumed? Last I heard, he or she or it had gone quiet after the Capitol attack.

Interesting, the R’s have gone about as far as they could go toward two extreme poles: cynical apolitical corruption, and the crazy fascist right fringe. Neither extreme provides a basis for a sustainable party in the long term.

It is about time to see a bit of pushback from within the party if it is ever to have some sort of political identity that is still within our constitutional system. They tried taking their party into the fascist “deep end” with the D.C. riots, and failed (at least temporarily). It will be interesting, and important, to see whether the middle can claw its way back.

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“No RINO, no RINO, YOU’RE the RINO. Or the Never-Trumper, or the pedophile cannibal, or the lizard person, who can tell?”

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You’re absolutely right. Setting aside that Reagan is directly responsible for setting these wheels in motion, QAnon = Trump = GOP. He’s the one who isn’t a Republican.

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Non-troll response: A lot of practicing Christians view Communion as a symbol of community. For many, the example of Christ’s sacrifice serves as a model for a life of service. There are many Christians who focus on ending inequality and protecting the world’s poor and vulnerable. Of course, many don’t. But it’s a mistake, I think, to focus on religious rituals as evidence of some sort of mental disability.

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a GOP trend of embracing conspiracy theories has “unmoored the party.”

I think Trump, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Rush Limbuagh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, Orly Taitz and a host of others unmoored your party long ago.

Personally, I think QAnon is just a natural progression.

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