Three years on, and the defense remains the same: whatever happened in 2020 was justified, and the rules then still apply now.
This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1470840
This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1470840
All I see is a wall of money.
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My stock boilerplate response–
Fuck that guy.™
– with which, I reserve the right to whip out, at any time, I feel a need for a cathartic, but mindless reply.
Which may be quite often this next year or so. Anything else is likely a waste of keystrokes. So get used to it.
Thanks, The Management
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“Throw sh*t at the wall and see what sticks” Chesebro-edition.
Let’s hope the Judge slaps this down like pretty much all the others have been.
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When you can’t dazzle them with brains, baffle them with bullshit.
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“that it’s fine for states to send competing slates of electors for Congress to decide.”
IANAL, and I know probably as much as the average high-info political news consumer about election law (not much). But–I think Ken C is in trouble because his work on the fake electors was part of a criminal conspiracy. And part of that conspiracy was precisely not to “let Congress decide” but to have VP Mike Pence illegally and unconstitutionally pronounce that Congress should decide. And this conspiracy involved Ken C in making illegal forgeries and false statements.
I don’t know–please correct me, TPM lawyers–but I suspect you can knock yourself out trying to round up alternate electors. What you can’t do is conspire to commit forgery and make false statements in doing so. What you really can’t do is conspire to overthrow the government in doing so. Seems like Ken is serving up weak sauce. If this is all he’s got, I’m thinking, he’s got nothin’.
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You can’t prosecute Chesebro because then Hamas wins.
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Chesebro uses the classic “Cheesy Defense”. It’s the one with too many holes in it to stand up to scrutiny.
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Give the guy what he wants, a judicious response to his curious claims about his actions. That’ll show him.
He won’t figure it out.
But we’ll learn a few things I hope.
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Funny how it claim was “there’s election fraud!” but they didn’t prove fraud, by then all the legal challenges were done by the time states picked the electors. I also seem to remember that questions concerning the 2020 election were asked and answered in the state legislatures.
If my memory of the explanation of the Hawaii case is accurate the counting hadn’t finished by the time the electors had to vote. And wasn’t this the first Presidential election with HI participating?
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[It’s] fine for states to send competing slates of electors for Congress to decide, …
There was nothing for Congress to decide. There were the real ballots and the irrelevant “alternate” ballots. The real ballots had certifications from the States’ top election officials. The irrelevant ballots were not certified by the state election officials nor were they authorized by any State legislatures. The “alternate” ballots were obviously phony and were treated as such by everyone who mattered.
ETA: Congress did vote on whether or not to count the elector ballots on a state-by-state basis. Various Trump puppets raised objections for certain states, there was debate, and then there was a vote to accept. The joint session voted to accept every ballot. It was never the VP’s choice which ballots to count, it was the joint session of congress’s choice.
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It is not going to be difficult for the Judge to rule against Chesebro. Noting that it is for the STATE to decide the legitimate state of electors and that Georgia did decide and only sent one slate of electors, this is where the argument I believe runs afoul of the law:
that it’s fine for states to send competing slates of electors for Congress to decide
Arora said separately that Georgia prosecutors were “usurping Congress’ authority” to decide who the legitimate electors were.
In certain circumstances where the election is in doubt it may be necessary to save a states electoral votes to send two slates of electors until the dispute is settled and in some cases it may even be up to Congress to determine which slate is correct, that did not happen here. What happened here is that the STATE sent a single slate of electors and another group falsely represented to Congress that it was the slate of electors sent by the STATE.
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Oh, how I wish all of these criminal cases would get resolved so I can put my newly tweaked (for greater distance) and freshly painted Trebutine® to good use.
Tio Wally’s patented Trebutine.®
"Combining the brutality of a beheading with the spectacle of a pumpkin-toss since 2019!"™
Accept no substitutes!
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Desperate people say (and plead) desperate things.
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States must decide on their slate of electors by the mid-December safe-harbor date, acting in accordance with the procedures enacted by the State legislatures. State legislatures enact the procedure for resolving issues that arise before the vote of the citizens is considered final. The elector slates must be chosen by the safe-harbor date in mid-December. On that date, the officially chosen electors meet in a manner designated by the states’ election laws and formally sign their ballots. Game over.
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In regards to the first bullet, yes, the ECA allows for the situation the joint session faces if a state has sent in more than one EV tally. Chesebro’s problem using what is perhaps an authority a state has is that this authority, insofar as it exists, belongs to state govt alone, not to any random merry band of private citizens.
In the second bullet, only the presidential elector nominees that the state has certified as representing the winner of that state’s election have the duty to send in their EV ballot. Everybody else has a duty to not send in a fake EV tally.
Chesebro graduated from law school?
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How’s about “I’m innocent and will prove it in court”?
You can do this can’t you Cheeseee Bro?
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Down here in Texas-- that’s known as punkin’-thowin’!
Need to discuss regional vernacular with your marketing types…
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