The Justice Department is conducting a “critical incident review” of law enforcement’s response to the Uvalde school shooting at the request of the city’s mayor, spokesperson Anthony Coley said Sunday.
I think the news about this horrific mass shooting will be with us for a longer time than other mass shootings. There’s just so many individual fuck ups that haven’t been obvious with other gun mass murders.
But there are good people to be found in every tragic.
Too much detail to hide
What has the history been on DOJ investigations of these kinds of events?
Can we count on anything significant or even useful to come out of it?
I honestly don’t know the history - this isn’t a snarky question.
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How thoughtful of them. Maybe we will hear that mistakes were made in a report 10-15 years from now.
By the way have you folks in the DoJ indicted trump yet for his traitorous coup attempt? or is that now on the back burner? Must not victimize poor donald and get him upset. That would look bad.
Pardon my bitterness about our “Thoughts and prayers” responses to the mass killings in Buffalo and Uvalde but it’s obvious both chambers in Congress would rather forget these tragedies happened. Too many members need to pathologically hug theor assault rifle for reassurance that they will be reelected.
This is so horrific.
I ‘think’ what happened is that the former-911 dispatcher just could NOT order ‘his’ crew into what he thought would be death. Or getting shot. It takes ‘special’ training to do that.
Did someone get fired?
The fellow who gave the ‘stand-down’ order was a former 911 dispatcher. He was NOT a cop himself it appears to me (I could be wrong, their 911 people ‘could’ be police in the first place) and he may not have been capable of saying, GO IN THERE.
I frequently have issues with the Border Patrol, but in this case they were the heroes, telling the incident commander to F-off and going in over his objections.
Very welcome development. I certainly don’t trust the state or local authorities to investigate this objectively.
No I don’t either, although the Texas Rangers do investigate things like this and the investigations they’ve done lately have been good. Nevertheless I think a federal investigation is smarter.
And frankly these agencies have to work together in the future. If you have the Texas DPS investigating the locals the other locals may not want to cooperate as much down the road.
OK. There are a lot of unclear aspects of this. What is clear so far is 19 police milled about in the hall for an hour outside the room where the carnage was happening. That is criminal.
I don’t know the full history either, but from what I recall, many of them have been related to possible civil rights violations. I don’t think that’s the case here. The cop who delayed appears to be Mexican-American.
The investigation will probably be focused on coming up with clear protocols about acting quickly in this kind of situation. That at least, will be useful.
It’s significant that it was the Uvalde mayor asking for the review, so there can’t be anyone claiming it’s the DOJ barging in as an outsider. Maybe this is also intended to make it easier to fire some of these guys, relying on an independent report rather than dealing with it internally.
It irks me when media people say what he thought. He can say what he thought, but we can’t read his mind and we can’t take what he says at face value. Even when the border folks showed up and wanted to go in, which is universally the doctrine in these things, he tried to keep them from doing it. They need to interview every one of these people there, review the body-cam stuff and see what was said and what the mood was. Were there objections? Arguments? Until you have reliable information about that there’s no way to reach a conclusion.
Just ONE of the reasons Uvalde will not go away
There are all kinds of things that arise if a state agency is investigating a local agency. And in this situation in particular I think that yeah, outsiders are safer.
Perhaps the least helpful prescription for preventing the next school assault-rifle rampage and murder spree has come from Mo Brooks, who asserted that the decline in our society’s “moral values” was to blame. This, coming from a liar, a propagandist, an insurrectionist, a theocrat and a dunce, is hypocritical, detached from reality, useless, and dangerous.
I’d have to ask whose civil rights were violated? Is it a civil rights violations to not stop a mass murderer that has out-gunned the team that was supposed to stop him?
I just don’t know…
“The goal of the review is to provide an independent account of law enforcement actions and responses that day, and to identify lessons learned and best practices to help first responders prepare for and respond to active shooter events,”
This is far outside my area of practice, but I don’t think the DoJ has the authority to take any action against the Uvalde PD or other responsible parties unless it can identify a violation of civil rights or other federal question.