Inquiry Can’t Penetrate Trump Firewall Around His Order Freezing Ukraine Aid | Talking Points Memo

A request that was followed by “I will ask [Giuliani] to call you along with the Attorney General. . . The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it …”

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But but but…they are INNOCENT! Why on Earth should they testify…they TOLD us they are innocent and that it was a ‘perfect’ call even though the transcript that THEY provided showed it was a little less than ‘perfect’.

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This is, by itself a impeachable offense.

I disagree with the reply by paul_lukasiak that the Congress needs to go to court to pursue evidence that the administration is obligated to provide. The administration works for the people, not their own benefit or political expediency, and they have no excuse whatsoever not to come forward with documents and 100% truthful testimony, when subpoenaed by Congress or not, and whether compelled by a court order or not.

But beyond failure to allow testimony or produce documents is itself an impeachable offense, it also allows – in fact requires – a presumption that such testimony and documents would prove malfeasance as any alternative would be in the party’s interest to comply. There’s no right against self-incrimination for impeachment. If one takes the 5th in Congressional testimony, then one has no claim to the office of public trust they hold.

Trump and the others are attempting to avoid that with specious claims of a “hoax” or “witch hunt” or self-proclaimed immunity or privilege, but the onus is on them to prove that claim as legal, not for Congress to go through a lengthy, multi-stage legal process, just to have Trump and his cronies launch some other theory on why they don’t have to comply.

They are guilty because a) the evidence is that they are guilty and b) they are acting guilty. And that’s guilty of violation of the public trust.

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I always like a good snark, the more absurd, the better.

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Well, there is this: https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/deutsche-bank-death/

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The bridge of the Titanic was never breached…

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Is it the premise of this article that all we need is a perfect deductive proof of Boss Tweet’s misdeeds to get the Senate to convict? They aren’t going to do it no matter what. Trump could shoot Adam Schiff on Pennsylvania Ave., piss on his corpse and then post pictures on Twitter, and key republicans would be defending it. His voting base would not only admit his guilt but cheer him on. Most people know he’s guilty as sin. He’s like OJ. The skullbuggery the Senate pulled to get Bart O’Kavinaugh on the SC will be nothing compared to what is coming. I would be glad to be wrong, but our shot at removing Trump is at the polls.

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Good catch. There is smoke and underneath that, fire. DB may be the crack in the case to prove the financial crimes.

I had never heard of a private banker.

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Their fancy firewall doesn’t matter at all because there’s so much else that is far more than just incriminating that trump has done himself in public. One juicy one was bragging that th next G-7 was gonna be at his Doral golf resort in Florida. Not that he wouldn’t be raking in shit loads of cash from foreigners and heads of state in direct contravention of the emoluments clause. This was done in public on video. No investigation would be needed. Then there’s a dozen cases of obstruction of justice with corrupt intent contained in the Mueller report. Each one by itself rates as an individual article of impeachment and for each of them there is solid evidence. So it isn’t like there’s any lack of criminality here.
If I spent an hour I could form a list of at least 20 solid articles of Impeachment and I don’t have access to what Schiff knows.

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I suspect that none of us TPM’ers are billionaires.

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Trump’s two year ‘witch hunt’ and ‘hoax’ campaign minimized and negated the Russian interference in our election to the point where at least half the people in the country don’t think that Russia interfered in the election.

His continual denials for two years is obstruction of justice itself.

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Ok, a criminal commits an obvious crime…direct witnesses refuse to corroborate the evidence…criminal skates…white collar crime triumphs again…all the rest of us saps better toe the line or else. American justice…beacon to the world.

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One big like for your “skullbuggery” portmanteau.

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investigators could not penetrate one key inner circle

Those within the cult are not protecting my rights. Quite the opposite.

Try waterboarding. Donald is cool with torture.

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I had a friend who worked for the Financial Times, but sometimes wrote spec articles for other magazines. When he was living in Milan, The Banker magazine commissioned him to do profiles on three Swiss banks. One of the banks, which had over ten billions dollars in assets under management, was just one floor of an office building in Lugano, I believe. He went in and it was just like an office and he thought he had gone to the wrong place. But the person he was supposed to interview was there. So “How many customers do you have?” “We have 11, and we are definitely not looking for more.”

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(Bowing) Thankyou. It makes more sense to me than skulldudgery.

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You rang?

billbarr

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The very definition of obstruction. And forming an association to deny evidence to investigators comes pretty freaking close to behavior confirming guilt.

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Even as dozens of government officials dished publicly on President Trump’s campaign to extort Ukraine, …

“Dished”?

We’re in the greatest crisis facing the country with one party trying to uphold Rule of Law and the other party All In to betray the country for Power.

Please avoid the gossip tabloid phrasing. SMH.

@josh_kovensky, @matt_shuham

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Apparently the motivation is stronger to avoid directly implicating oneself under oath as an accessory to bribery and extortion, to kill one’s political career, and to incur the wrath of an unknown number of irrational and potentially homicidal Trump supporters than to avoid maybe placing oneself at risk of being held in criminal contempt of Congress.

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