In Private, Trump Acknowledges Appeal Of Bernie And Warren’s Messaging

While he’s never admitted it publicly, President Trump is privately concerned that 2020 hopefuls Sens. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) and Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) have a message that might be hard to beat politically, The Daily Beast reported late Sunday.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1247027

You can have someone who loves Trump…

I always love it when Donnie Dipshit refers to himself in the Third Person. Not. Crazy. At. All.

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According to four Republicans close to Trump who have heard the latest nuanced admissions, Trump has told friends and donors that he doesn’t think the “socialism” agenda will be “easy” to beat in a general election, according to the Daily Beast.

Why am I not believing this? Sounds like misinformation direct from the horse’s mouth.

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For decades Republicans have found that poor whites are best entertained by blaming others. Tell them all their problems are some brown or black person’s fault, and the brown or black person is not as worthy a white person and they give you their votes.

The hard rubber is meeting the road as more and more working class whites find themselves facing retirement without adequate resources, unable to help their kids go to college, and spending a bigger and bigger percentage of their income helping insurance companies reach record profits. Simply blaming the other isn’t getting it done for a lot of people.

Republicans don’t begin to appreciate the appeal of Warren or Sanders because they can’t understand why the plebs would be interested in reaping the benefits of our society. For guys like Trump and McConnell those benefits are reserved for the Republican funding class.

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but many people love free stuff, too

He’s talking about corporations and rich people here, right?

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Something else he publicly disses but then tries to do himself?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-taliban-tweet-barack-obama-secret-talks_n_5d75da7ce4b0645135709c78

If blaming the “other” isn’t solving all your problems, you’re not using enough of it.

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I gotta disagree with that ^^, though. Repubs can easily appreciate the appeal of Warren or Sanders, which is part of the reason they’ve rallied so uniformly around the charges of “socialism” – decades of Fox-led smears have taught them that you can sometimes make a baseless smear stick by the use of messaging discipline.

And we can count on every single GOPer to fall in line, because as you say:

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ANYTHING from Trump is 100% calculative.

There are no private moments.

OT The third person reference to himself was more informative to me than any other words he said in this article

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Free stuff?

I am a middle class tax payer and a fiscal conservative. Medicare for all is not “free stuff” and dollar for dollar, my taxes going to a government run program like medicare is more cost effective for me than the $25000/year that is going to some private insurance company where I still have to shell out $5000 in deductibles before they kick in.

Private healthcare insurance is fiscally irresponsible.

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LBJ had a way with words. He didn’t need need to pontificate and dance around with words like a show horse prancing in a ring. Sort of like Mencken without being sardonic. He nailed it:

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.

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Right. Everything Trump utters is nothing more than a trial balloon. He believes in nothing, except his brand. Bank on it.

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Yes, because he only exists as a “personality,” preferably on television. That’s his level of awareness, which is why he “dies” a bit when his ego is personally attacked a la sharpie-gate. Not to be overly Freudian about it…

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Coming from him, and I can’t emphasize this strongly enough, this means absolutely nothing.

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Vote for me and get free stuff has always had its appeal. That is why Trump promised to build a 2,000 mile wall and make a foreign country pay for it. I like Warren much more than Bernie, but I have doubts as to the general election appeal of taking away health care from people with promises of something free and wonderful.

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Plantation owners knew that back before the Civil War. If only slave owners had fought for the south, it would have been over the 1st week. Some how the slave owners were able to talk poor whites into fighting for them. Same thing during reconstruction. And during the civil rights movement.

I am just not sure that the old playbook is as effective today as it was in the 1860s or the 1960s.

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Going to be a very hard sell to people who have sacrificed pay increases over time in exchange for better healthcare coverage.

The best way is just to slap a public option in place, let the markets compete for a time. Either people will gravitate to the public option, or not. If yes, the private insurance will adjust over time into something much more niche in function and form.

Don’t need to blow up the whole thing all at once.

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I am middle class too and I consider myself fiscally conservative, but not fanatically so. However, my husband and I went on medicare a couple of years ago and I am not sure what Warren and Sanders are talking about, but it is not medicare for all. If we did not have private insurance to supplement our medicare, we would have spent more than $25,000 out of our pocket. Medicare does not pay for everything. It did not pay for my dental work anymore than it paid for all my husband’s treatment. It did not pay for my glasses that cost me more than $500. The premiums may not be high, but if medicare for all is anything like medicare, then a lot of Americans would probably rather keep the insurance they have. Unless they can buy private insurance to supplement their coverage. Why not offer a public option and give people the choice?

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Exactly. If that insurance is part of their job they are not paying for that coverage outright. It is considered a benefit. However, if there is a huge push to create a federal system that requires an end to private insurance, then it will cost everyone more money in taxes. Not just the rich. No country anywhere in the world pays for everything without some kind of contribution from average citizens. In fact, many European countries still have private and public plans.

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Yup. And as you note, even the current Medicare structure is a mix of public (A & B) and Private (C & D).

So just ripping up the current system wouldn’t work at all, without a massive restructuring of Medicare to take C & D and make them public…

To me, that sounds as if medicare is pretty much the same as the private insurance we have. They don’t do dental unless it’s some kind of emergency surgery thing, and they don’t do glasses unless you do the cheapest possible lens in the cheapest possible frame.

I like the slogan, and I’m OK with the idea that “M4A” will be modified out of recognition by the time it (or something vaguely like it) is eventually adopted.

But mostly I’m fascinated/appalled at the idea that it’s just about the “free stuff” that we pay for with our taxes. And not about the monopolies, the corruption, the stranglehold that the super-rich of every kind have over most of american life.

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