Hurricane Ida Turned Into A Monster Thanks To A Giant Warm Patch In The Gulf of Mexico | Talking Points Memo

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This article is part of TPM Cafe, TPM’s home for opinion and news analysis. It first appeared at The Conversation.

This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1386411
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We better get used to it.

Thanks global warming.

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Thank the fossil fuel industry.

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Thanks for not renaugurating the Sharpie Guy.

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Thanks stupid, greedy, apathetic, Humans for fucking up the planet and killing all its innocent creatures.

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I realize that every storm, hot day, cold day etc. is a result of global warming but this article was very careful to say it was local and there was so much more research to be done before any conclusion about climate change could be drawn.

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Appears like you actually read the article.

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To be completely fair… It isn’t as if they’ve been forcing us to buy gasoline for our cars and air-condition every building down to refrigerator temperatures; we did this to ourselves. Us. You and me… well, me at least.

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You should. Without fossils fuels, we couldn’t exist or function very well. Maybe someday it will be possible, but that day is a long ways away. And it will take fossil fuels to get us there. Renewable energy isn’t produced and manufactured with sunshine, lollipops and unicorn farts.
Take every source of fossil fuel in the world away overnight, and tomorrow’s world will be a horrible place to live. Everything you eat is made possible by fossil fuels. The roads you drive on, the buildings we live in, the clothes you wear, the whole world runs on fossil fuels.

And if I could, I’d like to teleport people like you into Montana somewhere on a hundred acres and tell you to survive without any connection to fossil fuels. Not even wood to burn. I’d like to see how you fare. I have a feeling your appreciation for fossil fuels may change.

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No one is suggesting totally eliminating fossil fuels immediately. What most are suggesting is an increase in renewables by developing technologies that make renewable energy less expensive than fossil fuels.
Actually if you factor in the cost that AGW is already inflicting in fires, droughts and heat waves it is quite a bit more expensive than renewables already. But ExxonMobil gets to privatize profits and socialize costs. That means American citizens get the bill and ExxonMobil gets a pass.
ExxonMobil knew this was a problem in 1976. They should be sued into punery.

(ETA only 100 acres in Montana? That would be claustrophobic. )

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yes quite a difference between fossil fuels and the fossil fuel industry

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I’ve never been brave enough to post a skeptical rant about global warming. Of course, it’s a factor in some weather events but every time there’s a storm reporters default to it without presenting evidence.

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You would think that by now it would dawn on some of the people who consistently deny any association between their selfish behavior and the results of that same behavior, that the scientists have not been kidding when they predict more of this kind of disaster. There are some coastal areas in this country that have become uninhabital, and they are migrating to safer areas. Just do not come to WNC. We have enough stupid here…we do not need more.

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I believe there is more of a connection to climate change than he is letting on to. These eddys go in cycles, usually one will break off every 5 years. They are cyclical. They seem to be occurring more frequently. This could be due to the fact that the Gulf Stream has slowed quite a bit of the last couple of decades leaving a “backup” of the traffic of warm water flowing north. There is no definitive answer, but the hints are growing larger and harder to ignore.

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What science knew and said was likely for at least 60 years is FINALLY sinking in. But the reaction is a fight between who was “right” and who “wrong”. This is just what the fascists are here for, to make us destroy ourselves in every possible way while they enslave and grift us.

We deal with this like adults, use science, and for God’s sake stop taking the bait and finding ONLY blame and punishment. We all are to blame in some way or other, and being dishonest about it is just gas lighting and idiotic too. Do we all want to die soon of pestilence, floods, and every other form of pollution because we fought rather than acted like sentient adults and dealt with it?

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You’re welcome to be skeptical, I suppose, but, for what it’s worth, reality doesn’t give a damn whether you agree, or disagree.

Certainly any single weather event is hardly proof, or even evidence, of much of anything; weather is, after all, not the same thing as climate.

We have been talking about atmospheric CO2 levels for literally my entire adult life. And, 40 some-odd years into my adult life, the evidence is clear, and undeniable. There’s not a single glacier that’s grown in the past 40 years. They’ve all, every last one of them, shrunk. (I’m given to understand that Greenland’s ice sheet is slightly increasing, just lately, but it’d been shrinking, prior, at a phenomenal rate.) Changes to the climate will show up first at the equator, and at the poles, and that’s exactly what we’re seeing. Here in the temperate zones… well, we’re just the boiling frogs, the changes are too gradual to notice on the scale of a human lifetime, and, anyway, we notice weather, not climate.

Over the course of the last two centuries, we enjoyed the benefits of fossil fuels; we’ve been in the “fooling around” stage. Over the next century, we’ll be experiencing the “finding out” phase.

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There’s plenty of evidence and it’s been adequately reported.

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That cold water lens coming south from massive melt water in Greenland is what is putting the brakes on AMOC.

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On the bright side, I believe that real estate prices in much of Europe will become quite reasonable.

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This, of course, is the proper position for any climate scientist to take, but the refusal of many, especially many in the press, to see the connection between the fossil fuel industry and climate change makes me angry.