It’s become commonplace to point to one issue that supposedly divides Republicans: support for Ukraine.
This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1449200
This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1449200
Meh. Just have General Dynamics, Boeing, and BAE Systems give MTG and Mitch and Qev a call, and they’ll remember who butters their bread.
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From cnn…
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" The Ukrainian president has repeatedly rejected the idea of negotiating a peace deal that would see Ukraine lose any of its territory. Speaking on Friday, he said he would not negotiate with Putin – even though he was prepared to speak to him before the war started.
“It is not the same man. There is nobody to talk to there,” he said. "
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Were I in Zelensky’s shoes I’d say in public “Pound sand Vlad”. Essentially that’s what Zelensky said in more statesman words.
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Our aim should be neither victory nor defeat but a speedy return to considerations for improved stability of Ukraine vs. Russia. For that the participation of Putin is just as essential as the participation of Zelenskyi.
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If we may audit her donors.
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When the circus comes to town…
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Yeah, I’m not entirely sure there is as much a split as there is a loud minority that opposes aid - and gets to do so only because they know at the end of the day the aid is going to be sent anyways. So yeah, posture away.
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An advantage to Democrats seeking to provide more aid to Ukraine and to fix the debt ceiling crisis created by MAGAs is the utter stupidity of Kevin McCarthy and his close allies. They’re also lazy.
While little good will come from the GOP dominated house, at least Democrats know they can out think, work harder, and out maneuver dummies like Gosar, Greene, Gaetz, Santos, Gym, McCarthy, and the rest of the clowns.
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That requires something Zelensky has rejected out of hand. Ceding a single foot of Ukraine to Russia and that includes Crimea. Imagine if Mexico went to war and stole Florida or Texas and we then talk peace with them. Would we cede Florida or Texas for peace? I think not.
We must also remember the severe damage Ukrine has sustained this past year.
Several towns reduces to rubble
Hospitals in ruins
Mariupol (a major city) in ruins
There are mass graves just outside Mariupol containing thousands of civilian dead. The underestimation countrywide is 30,000 civilians dead…many thousands wounded. Millions displaced internally and internationally from their homes. Therefore there is no going to the status quo ante no matter how one looks at it.
As for stability… we are looking at generational boiling hatred on the part of most anyone from Ukraine toward Russia. Remember also that Ukraine in the past was very very important to the “Russian identity” from Putin’s viewpoint. The Ukraine viewpoint right now is “Blow It Out Yer Porthole Russia”.
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I don’t know, EG. These folks have lots of MAGA small donors and safe seats. Isolationism has always had a constituency, especially if the prospective enemy is white.
The worse news here, I think, is that our invasion of Iraq is still causing diplomatic damage among third countries that don’t want to have to choose between NATO and Russia.
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Let’s not forget that the MAGGOT opposition to helping Ukraine dates back to that “perfect” phone call, when Dump tried to extort Zelensky and he said no.
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I applaud the sentiment - I just don’t know if Putin can be trusted to negotiate in good faith. He’s essentially turned himself into a dictator - rigging elections and government so that he’s been in power for 24 years. If he doesn’t acknowledge institutions and laws that don’t benefit him, I’m not seeing a negotiated peace without a battlefield victory that can be trusted. Hope I’m wrong.
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From all we’ve seen from Putin in the last year he appears to have assumed the role of autocrat, which the Romanovs were and they were assassinated. That won’t happen to him. He’ll have his would be enemies thrown out of windows.
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The degree to which the maga see Putin’s Russia as what they aspire to create at home can’t be underestimated. White, (putatively) Christian, nationalistic, strongman, hates the same things they hate, gays, minorities, trans, the “woke”. For maga, Russia is a lodestar, not a threat to be vanquished, this has nothing to do with the deficit. Folks should be calling their bluff for what it is.
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Especially if Mexico was being run by someone who was elected President in 1999 and rigged elections, manipulated government, and jailed and killed political opponents and dissidents to remain in power since then.
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In a trip to Kyiv this week, McCaul downplayed Republicans who oppose further aid, describing them as being “more supportive if they saw a long-term strategy that was based on a Ukrainian victory rather than sending just enough support to prolong the war but not win it.”
McCaul was in Kyiv with four other GOP critters. Five GOP critters is enough to override the performative fascism caucus.
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Let’s assume Joe gets reelected, and that’s a very good chance he will if his opponent is either trumpet or DeSatan. All the crazy talk from the most crazy GOOPs will mean nothing. I will become concerned, however, if GOOPs take the Senate and then there might be an unholy alliance between very crazy and moderately crazy to undo the support this country has shown so far. I can hear it now: “Costs too much!”
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Agreed! But tht is not the country I know well and live right next to. From my roof I can see into Sonora. I would want close relations with Mexico with all due respect for them. But that is not how Putin thinks. He is imagining European and Asian hegemony. As it is Russia sits on 11% nof all the land surface of this planet and yet Putin wants more.
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Did the western civilized world learn nothing from Hitler’s incremental buildup prior to WWII? In terms of Putin’s actions in Ukraine now, i don’t see much if any difference between his intentions and those of Hitler. Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet Union by the extermination of all of Eastern Europe of non-Russian descent. The western world slow-walked their/our reaction to Hitler’s advances back then, too, until it was too late. There is a powerful parallel between then and now concerning Ukraine.
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