How Giuliani Is Conning The World Into Buying A False Biden-Ukraine Narrative | Talking Points Memo

While President Trump may be breaking new ground in political corruption, his lawyer has reached a new peak in bad faith with his smears of Joe Biden.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1250272
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Maybe it’s due to shitty editors and publishers allowing reporters to refer to it as the “Biden/Ukraine scandal”?

Nah. Can’t be.

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“There is overwhelming evidence that Giuliani and Trump are running a smear operation, abetted in part by the U.S. foreign policy apparatus.”

Well, I’ll be darned: It turns out there really is a “Deep State”…!

(“Projection, thy name is Trump.”)

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Jebus Tapdancing Christ STOP IT
As said elsewhere Not Biden’s false story

False Trump-Ukraine Narrative

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Giuliani has not offered any evidence to support the allegations.

Because they are still trying to get the kerning right on the false documents.

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Hunter Biden as a private citizen should sue Rudy for slander!

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“Giuliani has not offered any evidence to support the allegations.”

Nor will he. To Rudy, his merely saying something is all the evidence he needs - because that’s usually all the “evidence” he has.

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What if flying planes into the Twin Towers was just Phase One of OBL’s plan, and lending Rudy Giuliani credibility as “America’a Mayor” was a sinister Phase Two? Phase One to eliminate civil liberties, and Phase Two to neutralize democracy?

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“all of them some of the time but not all of them all the time”. Giuliani tried this in the past and failed as he will this time. He’s trying to dig himself and Trump out of a hole and although the folks at TPM seem to think that teams smart enough to pull this off I doubt it.

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Why does the headline make it seem like Giuliani is succeeding when the body of the article clearly states otherwise? This smacks of click-bait.

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Biden’s son is not a politician correct? Why doesn’t he sue Giuliani?

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What ever Imagery you may have had of pigs at the public trough must be updated…there is no precedent for this

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Wait… so the actual story is that Biden helped force the Ukraine to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who was NOT investigating his son’s activity at a corrupt company? Doesn’t that sound like Biden was putting his son MORE at risk?

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The best way to report on Guiliani’s false claims is to just say he makes a number of false claims, not repeat them, and then move on to his clear violations of the law.

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Rudy hatched a plan that Trump could strong arm Ukraine into helping him with his campaign under the guise of foreign policy negotiations. That blew up in a Trumpian orange fireball and now, he’s trying to cover it up with this fake story about Biden.

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It is soooooo easy to manipulate these “journalists.” I see why Trump gets away with it. The failure of the American education system is that we have so lowered our standards that there is no one left to protect our democracy.

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The investigation wasn’t about “his son’s activity” but about the company as a whole, and yes Biden/Obama were wanting a real investigation on in which if Biden’s son was doing something illegal with it could end up harming him.

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He (and his father) probably don’t want to give more oxygen to Giuliani’s lies in the press which a lawsuit & trial would provide… but I don’t think they really get the asymmetry of the attacks. Kerry was never able to recover from the Swift Boat attack – largely because they (stupidly) expected the press to report things properly because Democrats hold themselves to the rules even when Republicans don’t.

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Yep. Under the heading of physician-heal-thyself, we can cite Josh’s insightful piece on the role of terminology in framing debates.

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