Me too. I gave up watching him many months ago, because the sound of his voice makes me gag. I’ll wait for the analysis.
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I generally let Stephen Colbert do the analysis for me. hahahahahaha
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Pelosi should issue Articles no earlier than June, unless the GOP sobers up before then.
No trial till then unless there is a clear and certain assurance that there will be a full, fair trial in the Senate.
This puts maximum pressure on GOP Senators or nominees facing a general election.
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I mute the sound when he’s due to speak on TV and (childishly I know) switch channels when I see his image on the TV screen.
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which, of course, is something that I’ve been pointing out for months.
Now, the House can recover from this, if it says and does the right thing. First and foremost, the Dem leadership has to admit it made a mistake – that they underestimated how craven and cowardly the GOP Senate leadership was. Keep hammering that point “We thought that Mitch McConnnell cared more about our constitution than Trump’s mean tweets, and we were wrong”.
That “admission of error” is what sets up the Dems to issue new subpoenas and enforce them – through inherent contempt if necessary – justifying a delay in sending the current set of articles to the senate.
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Not childish at all. I’m not being metaphorical about it - his voice literally makes my stomach heave. I mute him or turn him off for the sake of my health.
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Yes, the DoNothing GOP Senate is the bad actor here, trying again to coverup GOP crimes.
The House Dems erred in expecting the DoNothing GOP to have a free, fair, and complete trial.
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I’m watching a lot less of the MSNBC talkers I used to watch because he seems to be Topic One Through Ten every day. My outrage level has peaked, and it’s not good for my well being.
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politically, the best time to send them would be right after the Dem nomination battle is resolved, and there is a presumptive nominee.
but the smartest thing to do would be to tie their release to resolution of court cases regarding the enforcement of their impeachment subpoenas – once they get the testimony that the senate is refusing to demand, then they send it to the Senate. The idea here is that the Senate can’t avoid hearing the truth – it can only delay it.
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Nah, court cases may extend till later than November.
And June would allow the Dems before and during their early-mid July convention to make their case and put pressure on the GOP before their late August convention to show voters their coverup.
Pelosi already has. She pointed out how we have a rogue president, but the framers never expected that we would be faced with a rogue president and a rogue leader of the senate. I would argue that it isn’t a ‘mistake’ on the part of the Democrats that republicans will not adhere to the oath of office they took. Considering what we know (and what they know that we don’t) Pelosi has a duty to make sure that this isn’t buried. It isn’t enough to simply send the articles over for their expected burial and to just litigate all of this in the upcoming election. That would be a violation of the oath that Pelosi and other Democrats took to protect the country and Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic.
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And when they are sent over simultaneously re-open new investigations with the intention of adding new articles. In other words, let senate republicans know that this is just the first batch.
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I prefer to think that our Dem reps were not that stupid. C’mon, these are pros. Especially those in leadership like Speaker Pelosi.
The House impeached Trump because it was the right thing to do under the Constitution and their Oath of Office. I’m sure they knew exactly what would happen when it reached McConnell’s Senate. Now that it’s done, our Dems in the House need to continue moving on evidence that will help boot Trump out of office in November, along with maybe a few Republican Senators if we’re lucky.
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Which is why Pelosi isn’t sending them over perhaps?
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If the House acts with the utmost urgency, and makes it clear that impeachment cannot go forward until the courts act with finality – and that the status quo (of having articles of impeachment passed, but a trial delayed because testimony is being withheld by Trump ) is harmful to the nation, I think the courts will put themselves into high gear.
It took about nine weeks for the supreme court to issue its decision in US v Nixon, so once a district court decision is rendered (which could be easily be done in six weeks or so) there is no need for extensive delays – IF the House actually pursues the right kind of legal strategy. (so far, its strategy seems to have been to delay things as much as possible in the courts…)
I keep hearing “book sales, book sales, book sales.” This book is destined for the cut-out bins at B&N even before it’s released because the major media outlets will get copies of it in advance and they’ll publish the “highlights” like turds out of a cat box. Even if the publisher (who IS the publisher, anyway?) doesn’t release advance copies, the news will get out speedily anyway (leaks?) and the only way Bolton will be able to save face will be mass buys, such as those that made the book by Blowhard Junior a minor blip
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uh, no. The House impeached Trump because Pelosi could no longer prevent it from happening. If this had anything to do with constitutional principles, Trump would have been impeached soon after the release of the Mueller report – and the indisputable evidence that he repeatedly tried to shut down an investigation of a Russian military attack on our Democratic institutions.
actually, I don’t think that Pelosi gamed that out at all – because she did everything she could to rush this whole thing through the House without regard for the obvious fact that what she was doing was giving McConnell every excuse to put on a sham “trial” in the Senate exonerating Trump. Pelosi never wanted impeachment, and wanted the whole thing over with as soon as possible, without regard to the consequences.
It was only until right before a vote was taken that Democrats finally woke up to the fact that they were about to hand Trump a massive public relations victory. There was zero indication that Pelosi ever considered not sending the articles to the Senate ASAP up until the very last minute – and not sending them contradicted most of the Dem talking points throughout the process.
Pelosi was focussed on an entirely different set of priorities for which impeachment was an impediment. IMHO, the last thing that Pelosi wanted was for Trump to be out of the White House – her #1 priority is maintaining democratic control of the House in 2020, and with Trump at the top of the GOP ticket in november, that is absolutely guaranteed.
That guy was a jerk.
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I gag when I open every frikken article about him or McConnell and see the obligatory picture of the cretins at the top. Rapidly scroll down to avoid hurling on the keyboard. Extreme allergy.
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Leaving aside how Pelosi felt about impeachment, what you’re saying here is that she misread what would happen in the Senate under McConnell’s iron control of his caucus. I don’t believe that for a second.
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