Eyes On Pelosi For Impeachment Next Steps | Talking Points Memo

Before Trump it was hard to find a picture of a past president that looked totally insane.

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Not gonna happen
Meet susan.

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Pelosi should reopen impeachment hearings based upon the new evidence and adding in new articles. Subpoena all Trump lackeys. Hold them in contempt. Go to court to imprison them. Don’t let Moscow Mitch bury it.

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If the Senate can’t come to a unanimous agreement akin to 1999’s…

McConnell is destroying democracy as effectively as Trump.

Stop playing games. Do your job or get out.

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Okay, no treats for you. Sorry!

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Actually, just subpoena Mr. Bolton. And watch try to squirm out of testifying. He’s only willing to testify in a Senate trail because he knows Republicans there will not subpoena him and, if they do, it will somehow make its way to the courts. Quite simply, he cannot be trusted.

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Sorry couldn’t resist

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“So-called moderate Republicans…”

An elusive cryptid whose cult-like belief by corporate journalists is impossible to dispel.

Someone claimed another sighting the other day, somewhere deep in the wilds of suburban DC:

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Ari Melber had on one of Starr’s prosecutors last night, that also mischaracterized what they did during the Clinton impeachment procedurally relative to the one that should be happening now in the Senate.

Starr’s guys were all political hacks with a clear agenda to go after Clinton by whatever means necessary. They still lie today about how they hopelessly tried to make their case. Luckily the American people didn’t fall for the sham at the time. There is practically no comparison to what McConnell and the rest of the Republicans are trying to do today with an impeachment trial in the Senate. They are all Sgt. Schultz when it comes to tRump.

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Eyes (and pressure) should be on turtle, JFC!!!

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This is going to end badly for the Democrats, unless Pelosi reopens the impeachment investigation, subpoenas Bolton, and acts to enforce the House subpoenas (by inherent contempt, if necessary).

Otherwise, the GOP has the upper hand, because all it has to do is repeat the single talking point that the Clinton procedure was agreed to with a unanimous, bi-partisan vote, and the longer articles are withheld without a good reason for doing so, the less the public will support the Dem position.

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Under McConnell’s preferred model… the Senate would initially come to an agreement on procedures dictating the first few stages of the trial. Those stages include the opening arguments by each side, written questions submitted by senators and a vote on a motion to dismiss.

Just to be fair: McConnell’s proposal isn’t insane. If the purpose of a Senate trial is to find the truth, then it seems foolish to predetermine how you will investigate beforehand.

But Dems would be insane to accept McConnell’s offer, because he will renege on it. McConnell has made an art of reneging on his promises. It is how he rose from local politics to national (he became pro-forced-birth, jettisoning his pro-choice allies and supporters after they donated & voted), it’s how he wins elections, it’s how he manages the Senate’s business to facilitate GOP stunts, it’s the reason he has been so effective at wrecking this country: everyone assumes someone in his position is an honest broker. So they never see it coming when he plunges the flatware into their neck.

McConnell’s method is to make reasonable-sounding offers so his opponents will lower their guard or even lend him their strength. But he has never once used that strength for the purpose it was given him. Moscow Mitch exists to make Mitch McConnell emperor, on the model of Julius.

Moscow Mitch McConnell is the Prince of Lies and the Midwife of Modern Plutocracy. There will be no justice in this country until he is dead and gone.

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Amen.

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He isn’t going to address impeachment. Instead, he will be extremely bellicose, and tell Congress that he is going to do whatever he wants with regards to Iran.

Basically, it will be his Declaration of War and telling Congress to go stuff it.

And the media will barely mention impeachment, and only in passing.

Which, while I understand the strategy Pelosi and the House took, I think in the longer term is setting an extremely dangerous precedent both in actions, and in the minds of Americans and the media at large.

That Congressional subpoenas are optional now, and merely serve as a request to be RSVP or not, at the subject’s whim.

But yet, Bolton’s “offer” was all about book sales. If he really wanted to put pressure on GOP Senators and McConnell, he would have held a news conference and dumped everything he keeps hinting at knowing out there for the press at large. And quite frankly, that would probably boost book sales even more.

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the minute you get into the weeds trying to explain the distinction between the Clinton and Trump impeachments, you’ve lost the battle for public opinion which is what this is really going to be about. Currently, the Democrat’s political argument is extremely weak, given that they are insisting that the Senate do what the House chose not to do (make people testify who chose to follow Trump’s orders instead.), and asserting that the bipartisan agreement reached for the Clinton impeachment is somehow too partisan for the Trump impeachment.

and since at this point, the only thing the Dems can win is the battle for public opinion, we need to focus on strategies that will work for the Dems in that battle, and not be overly concerned about the minutiae of pre-impeachment procedures differences.

Yet it doesn’t seem foolish to include a vote on a motion to dismiss as part of the model for the first stage??

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it puts Bolton in an untenable position if the House actually tries to enforce its subpoena in court – which is what the House needs to do. No court is going to say that Bolton can choose the venue in which he responds to a subpoena – especially when the ultimate consumer of the information (the Senate) is the same.

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One can only imagine how out of control he’ll be on the day of the SOTU address, February 4. Underneath those 50 yards of Italian wool suit, he’ll have to wear an adult diaper and also a bib. Bodily fluids will be ready to flow and it won’t be pretty. Hope somebody here watches because I won’t, and I’m not even sure I’ll want to know what he said because the angry word salad will be hard to decipher.

@southerndem

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