A representative sample is still representative
That was part of the point I was trying to make. If turnout is depressed slightly across all points of view, it makes no difference to the outcome. Whereas moving the same number of votes in one direction can shift the outcome. That’s one reason why risking a slightly reduced turnout Is preferable to increasing the opportunities for cheating.
Already responded to all of this. You’re just ignoring that now.
I’m beginning to think you don’t like Mitch McConnell very much.
Now I’m pretty sure.
Speaker Pelosi used a refreshing word to describe the new House approach to governing: clean. It’s a nice contrast.
Extremely accurate description!
Sorry, but you’re just being a cynic here. POC bring it every election. They’re not cynical despite reasons to be so. POC have been demanding making voting rights a priority for over a decade and Dems have responded. In politics, that creates brand and it develops loyalty. They know how a bill is made into law, and they know that getting a Dem POTUS and a few more Dem Senators are required. That’s how the ACA was passed, how family and medical leave was passed as well as other measures. They actually understand how our political system works better than a lot of folks on the far left who think protest votes don’t have real consequences for the rest of us.
We are obviously talking past each other. I see no refutation of this point in what you have written other than a dismissal of the likelihood of cheating which Is implausible in light of NC, PA,MI and Wi.
Ever tried to hug a turtle? 
@socalista
Quite the contrary. I would imagine that McConnell is fully behind denying representation to non-citizens, which is the ultimate purpose behind the attempt to include a citizenship question on the upcoming census form. Republicans have an eye on taking down the representation in Congress of states that are heavy on non-citizen immigrants (like California).
Slaves were not citizens (for all practical purposes they weren’t even human beings, but property), so allowing representation in Congress for slaves (even at 3/5 of a person per slave) is exactly the opposite of what the Republicans have in mind for voting reform. No non-citizens should have representation in Congress. As far as Republicans are concerned, non-citizens have fewer rights than slaves did.
Roosevelt: We are at war.
Nimitz: Well you might as well forget it. The Japanese just sank most of our fleet.
Roosevelt: OK, we might as well try for terms of surrender. Thanks for the heads up.
Put democrats in and things that need fixing are addressed. Problem is these bills need to get by the Senate and trump. But one way or another…trump can be got rid of sooner than McConnell sadly.
47% in KY in 2018. 3 points less than overall turnout.
POC are not some unified thing any more than you are a white nationalist because someone else is. I also find repulsive this idea that POC are an audience you can just play to. And guess what? That sentiment is a drum beat on forums that target “black” Americans.
I’m saying it might help. You’re saying it’s a guarantee. I’m saying you’re wrong because that’s not how this people thing works.
The most important thing that the Democratic House can do is investigate. This particular bill will bring all of the Republican rat-fking into the congressional record. Right now it’s all about getting the corruption and bad acts into the light of day.
Yes, there’s no question about that.
And so, as for the following, I take your point but …
… the three-fifths clause in the Constitution gave the additional votes to slave-owners, not to slaves …
Nope. I’m reading and responding to your comments and you’re ignoring then blatantly misrepresenting (“dismissal of the likelihood of cheating”) mine. Big difference.
You’re being argumentative and ahistorical, picking a select data point and totally ignoring the overall data picture and history. There’s a reason why POC voters overwhelmingly support Democrats. It’s because Democrats deliver for them. For most POC, the Democratic Party is the only thing standing in the way of America becoming a neo-fascist state that makes them second class citizens. They’ve been hip to this for years. All they need is some help from white voters to the tune of 43% of the electorate or higher. Supporting bills like these does in fact reaffirm to POC voters that the party cares about them and grasps the existential crisis that POC voters face every day and more so since the GOP has turned fully nativist in this decade.
I am a POC.
Oppression is a unifier.
It’s hep, not hip.
I don’t overall disagree with this comment…and my KY stat was to illustrate how (not) intensely concerned KY voters are with opposing McConnell.
But you’re completely sidestepping my point, which is (I repeat), you cannot manipulate an entire group of people to your will simply by waving a symbol at them. It. does. not. work. that. way. And it’s offensive that you think it does.
This wasn’t a case of voting by mail, someone picked up the ballots and either threw them away or modified them. It will be a lot harder to do this if they were mailed and any perps (GOPers) would be facing serious federal charges if they tampered with the US mail.
Yes, I get that. But it doesn’t follow that this will translate into excited voters or high turnout. And in fact, the data show that it’s not.