Discussion for article #245464
We’ll see the outcome soon enough. I personally feel it will be incredibly hard for Sanders to overcome a 20+ point deficit in 2 weeks. However those polls are old! So who knows what the actual state of the race in NV is right now.
Regardless, I’m personally happy enough with either of the candidates winning. Either will be much better than whatever the heck comes out of the GOP Primary cesspool.
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Yea as I’ve pointed out in some other post, based on Charles Blow’s editorial, I think Hillary will pull in and motivate more black voters and that’s why she stands a better chance in the presidential election.
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My candid assessment is that the democratic primary will be an exciting race, and whomever wins will benefit average Americans-- as opposed to any of the GOP candidates, whereby only the rich and powerful will benefit.
That being said, I think Hilary woke up yesterday and saw Bernie’s shadow, and there will be six more intense weeks of campaigning.
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I was until I read the piece by Bernard Avishai in which he was so dismissive of African -American voters. Hopefully, Bernie is smarter than some of his supporters.
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Sanders needs to drive home the fact that equality covers a multitude of things and that several of them are certainly not a Republican concern or a concern for Hillary who is actually a Republican and not a Democrat.
The large majority of Americans truly want equality across a whole host of areas:
- Economic equality (Hillary will do nothing to reverse our wealth concentration crisis)
- Racial equality (closely related to economic equality)
- Gender equality
- Marriage equality (LGBT rights and equality)
- Religious equality
America is more than ready for Social-Democracy. The Republicans are the same old same old hacks working for the billionaire class (especially Cruz and Rubio and Bush). Clinton is more pro-corporatist than husband Bill who clobbered the middle class with his 2 terms in office.
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When Bernie’s peeps booed Hillary they lost me. I was never a Bernie supporter but I was supportive of the neck and neck contest he has created.
But booing? Booing is a sign that, in the end, these people will take their ball and go away if they can’t play by their own exclusive rules.
I was spitting nails when Democrats voted for George W. Bush in 2000. They thought they were making a statement about the corporatism menace in America, so they voted for Ralph Nader. In spite of this mindlessness, Al Gore won the popular vote but Bush’s brother and cousin prevailed in Florida and the rest is history.
We got Dick Cheney and John Roberts. We got the stupidest, most insular president instead. We got Iraq and the Great recession.
This is what booing creates.
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I seem to recall a similar attitude expressed by many Clinton supporters in 2008. Didn’t care for it then, and I don’t care for it now. Who they are/were supporting is irrelevant to me, but I’m getting pretty sick of these silly attacks by their supporters - it isn’t helping any Democrat win the election.
I would vote for either. Each has a certain amount of baggage that I’m concerned about, but I think Hillary would have an easier time in the general election.
The real problem for me is that the kids don’t show up on election day. I don’t really care why that is; they just don’t (or have not over the last several cycles). Indications are that Sanders would have won Iowa if they had just shown up.
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I think you’re wrong about that. It’s coming, but it’s not here yet - there will have to be much more suffering before that’s possible (hard to believe, I know, but I really think that’s true).
And I say that as someone who yells at the teevee every time some worthless pundit calls Bernie a “Socialist” without including the “democratic” qualifier. They are not the same thing.
There’s a lot of ignorance on all sides of this contest.
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Bill Clinton [received the lowest percentage][1] of the black vote since 1960.
I´m very concerned that if HRC is our nominee that we´ll return to those historic lows. 
@PluckyInKY
[2]: http://blackdemographics.com/culture/black-politics/
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I am not sure I understand the white voter issue for Sanders. His message is aimed squarely at young, upwardly mobile people of all races who are afraid their futures are being grabbed by the billionaires and their lackeys in Washington.
Is the underlying assumption that each ethnic group demands its own special brand of pandering? How racist is that?
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Why? Better organization of black Democratic politicians or is Bernie a racist.
The vast majority of minority voters are women. I’m not concerned, but your concern is duly noted.
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Bernie’s rhetoric sounds noble, but to me he’s on a bit of an ego trip. So are many of his supporters. This was a major turnoff:
“What this campaign is about, and I’m seeing it every day, is an excitement and energy that does not exist and will not exist in the Clinton campaign.”
Who says that?
Substantively, I’m in the Paul Krugman camp. Emotionally, I don’t think I’ll ever feel the Bern.
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Hillary will deliver for minority groups and all people for that matter. Vote for her! She has the knowledge and skill to step in and make a difference right away. She will not be destroyed by the GOP - they’ve been trying for years and she’s still standing.
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This apparent advantage of Hillary with minority voters baffles me. Can a Black or Latino voter please explain why they support Hillary? Her pro-corporate anti-middle class agenda will most definitely hurt minorities most of all. And the history of welfare “reform”, de-regulation of wall street, “free” trade agreements, and minimum mandatory sentencing, that are Bill Clinton’s legacy have done real damage to minorities for the last 20+ years. I don’t get it. But then I don’t get why anyone would support Hillary on the progressive side.
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That’s been a question nagging me all campaign. Nobody is polling in Nevada for either the Dems or the republicans. Its pretty bizarre.
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She is in the pocket of Law Enforcement and Private Prisons… Her outdated stance on our failed drug war, isn’t going to bring minorities out to the polls for her. She supports a lower minimum wage. Why is she attempting to court the minority (who are more impacted by poverty, and legal issues) when her policies aren’t in their best interests?
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And that sounds pretty abstract and more than a bit windy. Voters are not in it for abstract ideas. If Sanders believe he can preach this doctrine and convert the masses, fine. I doubt it.
In fact I resent his vagueness altogether.
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Anti middle class Agenda? What planet are you on? Restoring the middle class is her main agenda.
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