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Beware GOP killers.
The R party has had nearly 7 years to come up with a replacement for the ACA. Does anyone really believe theyâll come up with one now?
Heitkamp and Tester are on the firing line, and Iâm sure the GOP will come to them numerous offers they canât refuse. One option, suggested here, is to roll over for the Unaffordable Care Act of 2017. Alternatively, they could announce that theyâll go along with any program that hits targets for performance and cost matching OECD averages. I mean, how hard can it be for Republicans to achieve average? The ACA, largely thanks to Max Baucus, doesnât even do this, so, yes, theyâre totally onboard with an Obamacare repeal if the successor does this. No other advanced country suggests citizens just die in the streets as weâve seen here. We want a Compassionate Conservative solution that 1) delivers coverage for all at a cost of 10 % of GDP (down from the current 18%) , and 2) brings various measures like life expectancy, infant mortality, heart disease and diabetes rates to levels at or above the OECD average. As some of these cost savings come from robust public health care clinics, national Republicans may find themselves at odds in GOP states that have spent years tearing the cost-saving institutions apart.
They will fold like a cheap suit.
Agree
Red State Democrats put a lot of effort toward blocking ever building the ACA in the first place, and some of the weaker elements of the structure were built in to get their votes.
But demolition is far easier than construction. Can we really count on the Red State Democrats to save the structure and, some day, strenthen it, if they see destruction as a personal short-term advantage?
Donât hold your breath. And remember, even if you have good insurance at work, that will also be weakened if the ACA dies. Ditto Medicare (how many people even know that the ACA shrunk the Medicare âdoughnut holeâ and thereby significantly reduced drug costs for many seniors?)
Push Democrats. We must all push all of them hard to save anything.
Expel them from the party ⊠if they had done that to Lieberman maybe we would not be where we are now. Where do Conservative Dems go? Fascist Republican animals are having a hard time holding on in their party, what could an ex-Dem hope for?
What do they have to loose? The Senate, the House, The Presidency? Let the chips fall where they may.
If war is hell then civil war is the ultimate hell. This will not be state level, this will be neighbor on neighbor. If the tide does not tun this is where we are headed.
Honestly, I think it depends on which states weâre talking about. Clearly, any state that was allowed to not participate will vote to repeal with NO replacement because, to them, the ACA gives other people a benefit that they donât have and thatâs unacceptable. Everyone needs to suffer like they do.
Also, thereâs massive pushback from the health insurance companies. Either theyâll work the refs on the Red state Dems giving them whatever incentive they need to vote to keep the ACA as is or, failing that, the ACA will just be limited to Blue states. As Josh pointed out, itâs not an issue of time thatâs needed to come up with a replacement; the ACA is the replacement. Get rid of that, thereâs nothing but junk insurance and health savings accounts. And the entire health insurance industry collapses.
Like an unregulated Kentucky coal mine.
GOP breaks it, they can eat it.
I am sick of red state democrats like the great Ben Nelson who almost personally skewered the ACA before it even happened. He ended up as one of the richest men in the senate, and after he left the senate due to Nebraskaâs term limit law Nelson was named chief executive of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners the following year in 2013. DINOs like this always capitulate. It never fails to amaze me how democrats are always trying to appeal to Republican voters (witness the Podesta strategy) but you seldom ever see Republicans doing that. It makes the democrats appear feckless and devoid of real principles and is part of the reason we are now at such an incredibly low point in all aspects of government. We do not support real progressives and continue to choose to support corporatists and hacks. And our current leadership seems to think everything is just fine, we are just at a lull right now.
Like Charlie Brown and Lucy, like the frog and the scorpion, we seem to be constantly surprised when the Republicans choose winning and smearing democrats over anything resembling governance or the good of the nation. If we donât start screaming loud and hard about every shadowy screw job the Republicans are trying to pull right now, we are going to do even worse although that barely seems possible.
It seems most of us are hoping that Trump will screw up so badly that somehow that will make democrats look attractive enough to vote for. We just tried that and it did not go well. Republican bad does not equal democrat good. We need to start pounding the issues that progressives stand for instead of trying to stuff them in the closet like a crazy uncle - free college and/or trade school, one payer healthcare, protecting social security, strengthening unions - if we do not start giving clear concise messages instead of trying to âreach across the aisleâ we are doomed. Triangulation may have seemed a good strategy when it got Clinton elected, but what it mostly did was get Republican ideas passed into law by democrats.
Give me something to get excited for and I will get excited. Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi do NOT fill that need for me. Sorry.
Donât think any Dems will fold on this. There is no incentive to do so. The proposed changes would make people clearly worse off to pay for a tax cut for wealthy people, most of whom donât live in these red states. If red state voters still decide that they canât abide any Democrat or federal help, that will be their decision, but that really means that these red staters live in a different universe. But I suspect there are thousands, if not millions of voters in these states who donât want the law to be repealed and the insurance be taken away. They voted for Trump for different reasons. Red State Dems are pretty good at sensing the political winds in their states. Iâm not seeing a mass revolt in favor of the GOP on this issue.
Donât cave! Make then own this f*uck up!
Look, this fascism thing will be transient, so purging Democrats, even Blue Dogs, is hardly productive. When the Trumps and bad behaving GOPers get done, itâs them that has to move to Argentina or Russia to avoid trial for their crimes against humanity. Best to keep a stiff upper lip as we face the period of ungovernability that is upon us.
Short answer: yes.
We need to start pounding the issues that progressives stand for instead of trying to stuff them in the closet like a crazy uncle - free college and/or trade school, one payer healthcare, protecting social security, strengthening unionsâŠ
We just tried that and it did not go well.
The progressives are out in the wilderness until at least 2020 if not longer. Very few are listening to them. Free college, trade school - rural America isnât interested in that because Dems DID address it. They just didnât want to hear that; they wanted to hear about MAGA.
The Democrats need to be educating people on current healthcare costs. Healthy people just see how much premiums cost. It would be easy to have an ad where costs of specific procedure and drugs scroll across the screen. Those numbers are scarier than having a Democratic healthcare plan. 98% of Americans could not self fund a catastrophic health care event.
Cystic Fibrosis Drug - $300,000/year - every year
Colon Cancer - $50,000 initial year
New Cancer Drugs - $10,000-$30,000 per month
Heart Valve Replacement - $150,000
etcâŠ
How Republican of you.