Discussion: Why Public Unions Should Be Scared SCOTUS Will Gut How They Collect Fees

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It might just be necessary to give these plaintiffs what they want, watch the union go away in order for them to realize that they’re about to knee-cap themselves. When these anti-union workers see their pay and benefits disappear I wonder who they’ll blame for it–the union, most likely considering the narcissistic disorder these rightwingers all seem to possess.

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Do you think they’ll eliminate the 40 hour work week?

Honestly, I’m already mourning this loss. It seems like it lost before it even got to the SCOTUS.

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Some of the plaintiffs are seriously ignorant about the benefits of collective bargaining. “I can negotiate just fine on my own behalf and I get good evaluations so I can go anywhere.”

Good luck with that, chump!

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It may be too late for this particular issue at this time, but this case is a prime example of why it is important for us to elect another Democrat to the White House. At the very least, she/he won’t be nominating any ultra-conservatives to the Bench.

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What’s morbidly funny is that the defense thought that Scalia, despite his protestations of being the only principled and consistent judge on the SC bench, is anything but someone who rules based on his prejudices.

Now that private sector unions have been crushed, leading to massive damage to the middle class in the US, we can all watch as the same happens to the public sector unions, and the middle class, and consequently democracy, is absolutely destroyed in the US.

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I guess stare decisis is not taught anymore in SCOTUS classes.

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Most of our moms taught us to be careful what we wish or to be very careful what we make an issue of.

“Whom the gods wish to punish, they grant them their wishes”. Oscar Wilde.

Free speech? Bullshit. This is just more union busting.

i never belonged to a union only because I wasn’t in a unionized job. I recall that those who objected to joining their union were always a little weird.

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Who will they blame? Obama, of course. Carter, Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary Clinton, the last Democratic governor, FDR, LBJ, pick a Democrat.

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It sounds like the fix is in for sure. I heard former SC clerk a while ago, on the radio, talking about the process as what gets before the SC and what doesn’t. If memory serves me, SC clerks handle about 10,000 petitions per year and 1% of them get before the court.

So I’m guessing the justices have something to do with the process as well, guiding the petitions they want to hear and also knowing they have the votes to effectively get the results they want.

So, what’s next?

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Nobody should be surprised. This, and not abortion repeal or other social issues, is precisely what the Republican justices were appointed to do. 1892 here we come!

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The dementia is strong with this one: “It’s one thing to provide it for private employers,” Scalia said. “It’s another thing to provide it for the government”

Who pays the employees salary is irrelevant. Either agency fees are valid and constitutional, or they are not.

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Based on the reasoning that employment contracts are inherently “political,” shouldn’t the logical extension of that be that every public service employment contract comes up for a vote of the people???

Of course not, that’s what elected representatives are for. But apparently you can’t elect representatives to negotiate for you on your behalf against the public agency.

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Those arguments don’t come close to what Scalia or Alito are going to consider. Absolutely not Thomas. Unions, public or private are to them a source of funding for Liberal causes and a competent voice against power. Neither of those are going to fly with the conservatives on the Court.

The litigators can argue til the cows come home. The Conservatives aren’t listening. It’s going to go down against the unions. 5 to 4.

Unions were strong when America was what GOP’ers say they want to take it back to.

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Am I the only one that sees the comments by the ‘usual suspects’ on the SCOTUS as a wish to return to the heady days of the Lochner court?

It certainly sounds like it.

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A Union’s job to get employees better working conditions and pay and to protect them when the boss is being a dick. If they stuck to that there would be no issue here. Be a Union for the workers and stop getting involved in too many side issues. I say that as a union member for 40 years.

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So why exactly do non-union employees get paid the same as union?

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“Unions were strong when America was what GOP’ers say they want to take it back to.”

Well, I’m sure that’s a snark but if not, what they want to take us back to is not the middle-class I grew up in when the middle-class was the dominant class, when capitalism actually worked and when it was about wealth accumulation, not wealth concentration.

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So, when the Supremes gut public service unions, and workers then go on strike, will the court agree that their First Amendment rights trump laws against strikes by public workers. Yeah, right.

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I never knew this, but I’m not shocked, shocked.

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